You know I do like Sheryl, sure she has some serious flaws and honestly she has some fans that drive me nuts but as a character I am ok with her. My issue however is in the role she was given and how poorly she fit into it. The main problem and reason why I am writing this is she is completely over glorified and I hate what her popularity did to Macross F. I feel she is not suited very well as a main character or even having any business being in the spotlight as much as she was given, particularly in the movies.
The problem with Sheryl is her role in this show is almost completely unneeded to drive the story and almost completely worthless in a heroine role in all but a few places. Almost nothing would change in Macross F if she wasn’t portrayed as a main character, in fact she is probably the easiest character to remove from any of the cast with significant screen time. The most critical role she plays is helping Ranka becoming an idol but the movies even down played this and made their relationship more along the lines of friendship rather than student and master. Sure Sheryl and Ranka are not in a traditional student and master relationship, I do feel it is the best way to describe them. Ranka’s goal was to become like Sheryl and she learn both directly and indirectly through Sheryl on how to be a great idol.
So what was Sheryl doing for most of the TV series? She spent the first half doing almost nothing outside of the before mentioned role but trying to hit on Alto and the last half being depressed and sickly. That is an over simplification but as someone who is the lead in a show about mechas, war and using the power of singing to save the day she adds little to nothing on these themes. Only at the end was she given a real role using a rather silly trick of her earrings becoming amazing tools but which ultimately did nothing as Ranka first overwhelmed her in singing and then Ranka was the one who saved that day and saved Sheryl. She was then given abilities like Ranka thanks to Ranka but really at this point the story was all but finished.
The director Kawamori even admitted he had trouble figuring out what to do with Sheryl. If you think about it was because she didn’t really fit in with the themes of this show nor did she really belong in it in the role she was given. In a show about the struggles of growing she is a character with little story to tell. Instead of growing she was given more flaws and fell hard as a character in order to give her screen time and interest which was a poor attempt to make her fit in with the theme of characters struggling to grow. It really was the only way to even give her some kind of a story and in the end I found it very uninteresting and more of a pander to her popularity to give her more screen time when she didn’t even have an important role to play.
To put it in another way I think Macross F shares some important similarities to that of the characters of Gurren Lagann. Kamina and Sheryl are both characters who start out simply at the top of their game. Likewise both Simon and Ranka start with a long path towards being heroes and need their counterparts there to guide them and give them a goal. Of course the point is always to have the apprentice surpass the master and become the hero and while Kamina steps aside and achieves his glory this was not the case in Macross F. Instead they do a 180 on this theme midway through and try to give Sheryl a separate story which also causes Ranka and Sheryl to go two separate paths that did not often meet. This in turn also messes with Ranka’s story too as with Ranka going her own direction she would not ever be able to achieve the goal that was destine for her or Sheryl from the start.
It is said that Ranka regressed in the latter half of Macross F, I believe if anything it was more of the case of the creators messing with all the characters to fit in Sheryl and thus screwing up Ranka’s character. After all I believe the reason Kawamori was regretful of how Ranka was used at the end of the show was because he had to change the story up to fit in Sheryl’s additional storyline and that left little choices in what they could do with Ranka. Why else would he make something he regretted doing when he was supposedly in control of the story direction from the start.
In fact I’ve read that Sheryl was originally intended to die early on which not only goes along with my previous thoughts but I think would have made for a superior story and a superior Sheryl that could have achieved real greatest even if for a short while and not crowd pleasing fake greatness. If you think that is because I don’t like Sheryl that is wrong, Kamina is one of my favorites however I wouldn’t change a thing about what they did with him. If they had left Kamina in for the whole show that would have diminished the greatness of Gurren Lagann and destroyed the epic rise of Simon.
Don’t misunderstand though I don’t think Sheryl needed to die however she really has no business being in the spot light like the way they tried to use her. This is why Gianax is still the master and Satelight is the apprentice. I don’t necessarily blame Kawamori either on this one but since I don’t know the facts I can only guess it if it’s all true it wasn’t his decision. Considering this was Satelight’s first show to be known to have been making a decent profit and the economic shape of the anime industry I believe they decided they needed to go with what would net them the most money considering this is their one and only cash cow. Not to mention something they have been milking to death in merchandize, particularly with Sheryl products.
I can’t blame Satelight for making Sheryl have a bigger role than what she was designed to be in order to cash in, they most likely really needed to make this show popular. However to me popular does not necessarily make for a fun show especially when the ending ends up being at the expense of my favorite character to milk the more popular character so you can imagine how all this has made me rather bitter.
I think the point is even more evident when you look at the movies in which they took the remake road and rewrote her role from the beginning again to try to make it less of a hack job this time (notice how Alto and Ranka’s roles remained the same only Sheryl’s changed). So this time around they removed the master and apprentice role thereby removing the need for Ranka to eventually replace Sheryl. Instead Ranka just climbed her own path with her own GAR and Sheryl cheered her on. But still as try as they might the very basics of a character like her is still not really suited for an important role in the spotlight. She was given the role as a spy but what she did didn’t have much impact on the storyline other than getting the story rolling. Sure it’s focused a lot but her role as a spy is not pivotal and Sheryl doesn’t do much of anything as being a spy, it is Grace who is the one who is pivotal in this and despite all the talk that surrounds Sheryl she could have been removed from the spy role and nothing much would have changed besides a more boring story.
If anything the movies just did a better job of selling her popularity by making her flashy and giving her GAR moments with little actual purpose. A good example was when she saved Ranka over herself in Sayonara no Tsubasa, sure it made her look good but since she wasn’t in any real danger to die in the end it was hallow and was just feed for the Sheryl fans to jump on. Honestly I kind of wonder if Kawamori was subtly making her role worthless as a kind of protest however I do probably think he most likely had no strong opinions on this matter but we’ll never know for sure it’s all speculation.
Rant time, I do find it amusing how much of a pedestal she is put upon but to be truly great you must do great things. Her best parts of Sayonara no Tsubasa were the GAR things she said but ultimately her actions were more for show. Her singing at the end was not out of necessity but because that is who she is, it is GAR but it is not greatness. That is the problem here and her character in a nut shell, this is not the role Sheryl should be in, it’s not what will put her in my books as an awesome character but rather a character that was shown to be very popular and thus given the spotlight to cash in on it. I think I would have a whole lot less issues with this show if Sheryl actually was as great as people say but they just couldn’t give her enough purpose and real importance in the end to justify it to me.
So that is the part of this that annoys me is in the end Sheryl comes out like the star the person everyone loves and whom some even call among the best characters in anime all the while probably having one of the least important roles in the history of Macross as a lead character. Her flaws and things she does wrong in both the TV series and movies are not nearly touched upon as Ranka and Alto’s get talked about. I mean people can’t let go Ranka leaving Frontier in episode 21 however hardly anyone notices how Sheryl knew and went along with plans to take over Frontier and kill Ranka in the movies which should be equally criticized if you are going to criticize Ranka for what she did.
Despite all this and putting aside fan views and her roles I still like her, she is not one of my favorites but she does complement Ranka well and she has a great relationship with Ranka so there is no way I could hate her. I like her strong will (something not seen enough among female leads) and how she doesn’t give up and of course she has the looks (Ranka though is the best in looks to me). However I find a lot of what she became and what she is viewed as is due more to her popularity and I find this disappointing and even leaving serve distaste in my mouth that ruins my enjoyment of Macross F.
In the end this is where I get upset as Ranka gets pushed aside by the Macross F community as people embrace the Sheryl x Alto ending with a character that never should have been there, only was there because she was popular and in the end took Ranka’s glory. Ranka did not even need Alto for Simon did not need Yoko but she was most definitely the one that deserved the hero’s end for she was to put it another way the hero, the Luke Skywalker, and Sheryl was the master or Obi Wan Kenobi. Both awesome but putting the two together like Macross F did just killed it for me from an enjoyment perspective in the end. All I see now when watching particularly the movies is pandering upon more pandering to make more money sadly. I don’t think they understood they didn’t need Sheryl in the role they gave her to sell as well as they did but they did in fact choose the safe popular route, it’s a shame.
Elle (@BlondeMaid) said:
A very interesting post, and not one I’ve ever seen before. I’ve only ever seen posts saying how bad of a character Ranka is & defending Sheryl which…I don’t agree with at all.
I didn’t realise just how indecisive the staff were about Sheryl’s role, so much so that she was going to be killed off? Wow. That explains a lot, as at times in the tv series I did feel that sometimes Sheryl didn’t really have…much to do. I saw her as, like you said, the older idol. The mentor. The one that Ranka looked up towards and eventually surpasses, and I think this especially shows in the tv series. One of my favourite scenes is when she’s in the shelter with Nanase and says something like “If Ranka is the songstress of hope, then I’ll be the opposite of that and sing where there is no light.” and sings Diamond Crevasse. That scene made a big impact on me and I really loved how Sheryl was portrayed as the foil to Ranka up until that point. Then afterwards she gets sick and suddenly starts having scenes with Alto and meh, idk. I just didn’t feel anything between the two, whereas I felt Ranka x Alto had a much better developed relationship.
The movies fixed this with Sheryl getting a complete rewrite…and stealing a lot of Ranka’s scenes/lines haha. It’s like they switched the pair around, and whilst I love what they did with movie Ranka’s personality, it’s really clear how shafted she gets. In the franchise overall. Sheryl gets more concerts (fair enough, she’s an established idol) but in the tv series Ranka only gets Seikan Hikou. Sheryl gets way more outfits, Sheryl gets more figures, Sheryl gets the guy at the end, etc etc.
This is a long post I apologise, and it probably sounds like I don’t like Sheryl which is wrong. I do like her a lot (hence why I’m cosplaying her xD) I just don’t get why she gets fanboyed over so much. Likely because she’s “Hot” rather than for being a strong, female character, as you pointed out, which as a girl myself upsets me. Sure us Ranka fans love her because of her uber moe factor, but also due to her as a character and personality, something which I think sets us apart from the Sheryl fanboys :’)
Reki said:
Don’t apologize for the long post, this took me weeks to write so I absolutely welcome all your thoughts on it! I agree too it’s hard to actually sound like I like Sheryl when there is just so much out there in the fan community that is crazy and it’s hard to separate what I think of Sheryl and what I think of how others view Sheryl (which is just so ridiculously overboard sometimes). Plus like you said Ranka gets criticized way too much when Sheryl does wrong things as well but she just is more popular (personally I don’t think any of them should be criticized that much but what can you do).
I don’t know if I made it clear but I don’t know for a fact they were going to kill off Sheryl but from everything else I know and just on what things appear it does really fit in how the story was intended to play out.
I do too think that Ranka and Alto had an incredibly deep relationship in the TV series, it’s sad that only at the end do they, I guess, mature enough to understand it all and they never have a chance to interact on it before the show ends. I mean even if they don’t end up in a relationship it is undeniable their bonds were incredibly deep. It was far more than Sheryl and Alto’s which was more acted upon despair and maybe lust at the end. I interpreted how Alto had sort of a lover’s relationship with Sheryl at the end of the TV series as more of him hurting that Ranka ran off with another man and going to Sheryl for comfort. To which Sheryl knew this was the case and told Alto to stop playing this game and go get your girl back.
But yeah I agree I hate how they shafted Ranka, I think the thing that just makes me the maddest is how she really was more of the hero and she deserved a hero’s end in the movies but instead got nothing. The TV series at least gives her a hero’s end, besides the lack of love triangle resolution though, so that’s why I prefer the TV series ending and would like to think of that one as canon. 🙂
yakuri said:
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks like that 😀 I always thought annoying how big of a wardrobe Sheryl gets (among other things you both mentioned) compared to ANY character (Ranka included) they even change her freaking hair color, which in my book is two of the most obvious aspects of a Mary Sue (which Sheryl ended up being). I don’t dislike her but man they messed her up, and all in the name of profit. It’s quite sad.
Reki said:
Yeah, I’m going to go on a bit of a tangent here, sorry, but what you said is so true and really shows how much they pandered to Sheryl’s popularity. Like during the climax of both the TV series and first movie while Sheryl got outfits just for these Ranka didn’t get anything new, in fact Ranka had zero stage costumes in the first movie. Personally though I did love these outfits for Ranka but it still doesn’t change the fact that they didn’t really bother to give Ranka something. It’s not like they couldn’t have either, they just didn’t bother to put any extra effort into Ranka like they always do for Sheryl. Ranka’s orange and white costume got used for almost everything she did in the TV series outside of her one concert that they only showed for about 15 seconds. Why they bothered to make a stage outfit in that concert and use it only once for that short time I don’t know either.
It wasn’t until Sayonara no Tsubasa where Ranka finally got the attention she deserved getting all the best costumes (I think they showed the most attention to her anyways even if nurse Sheryl sells better in cosplay sales) and singing in all but one of the songs in the movie. Add on how amazing she was in the movie with everything she did that really outclassed anyone else in the movie, this really should have been her one time to shine… Of course she still gets screwed over in the end and everyone still focuses on Sheryl regardless whether she deserved the credit or not. Seems like we could never catch a break eh.
Chris (@z16_m0v3r) said:
I know I’m practically spoiling myself to hell and back reading these blog-posts but I find them incredibly interesting. Seeing as I’ve last seen any Macross years and years ago you could call me a newcomer to the franchise. As that I too had the feeling that things are a bit weird. I noticed the chemistry between Alto and Ranka and I had the feeling that every time Sheryl showed up she was only there to meddle
with this budding relationship. Which pissed me off immensely.
Now I have to say that besides of that, and the fact that I STILL haven’t finished it, I did think she got a little better over time (up to the episode where I am right now at least) and I do like how she is cheering for Ranka and seems honestly interested in a friendship or at least support for her.
The whole situation about raising a character above their role they initially were meant to just to make a few quick coins does sound awfully familiar, I just can’t put my finger on it where I’ve felt the same way right now. Or it may feel like the Anime-industry as a whole seems to go down that path a lot as of recently. And fast.
Looking at the other comments on this so far I’m glad that I’m not the only one thinking that there is a considerable amount of Sheryl-fans out there that seem to worship her in a way that makes me ask myself: What for exactly?
I’m not going to lie, I did not like her the first few episodes. She was acting all high and mighty for being the all-so-great space songstress. Well good for her I guess. Luckily she later made went 180 and at least seemed more likeable. I wonder how this will last for me though. But I digress.
I wish I had more substantial things to say to this, I somehow feel like I’m not on topic.
Reki said:
I’d say it’s the whole anime industry lately that just chases the dollar, this is just one way about it. I know for one example in the Negima manga early on Makie won a popularity contest and they gave her a greatly increased role in the manga, he said this too in the second manga volume I believe. Considering all the merchandizing, concerts and events related to this show and the small but incredible loyal and fanatical fan base it’s not hard to see what happen.
I don’t know where you are at in the show right now but Sheryl does keep changing as a character but whether it is a good change or not is up to you. Movie she has all her flaws removed but then again so does Ranka and Alto since the movies are even more about pleasing the (Sheryl) fans. As for Ranka and Sheryl’s relationship, yeah for characters in competition with each other they still manage to have a great relationship which is why Ranka x Sheryl is the best combo.
I hope you keep at the show though and I hope I haven’t ruined it for you. I really wanted to wait until you were done to discuss this but the show is already aging so fast in anime years terms and I really just had to get all this stuff off my chest so I could move on. I could probably find another few articles to write on it all too, in particular towards the people who hated on Ranka towards the end of the TV show but I think I am satisfied with what I’ve done.
angelfox22 said:
After reading this just had to write a reply. Don’t often get chance to talk about Maccross to anyone really.
I think the problem with Sheryl is best development she could have would go against her having any sort of relationship with Alto. During first half of series she was dependent on Grace and her fans. When both those left her she became lost and instead of finding her own path she searched for someone to help her. When she did find someone she switched her dependency onto them. While she does have a wanting to be free and do what she wants the way she wants she doesn’t make the final push. Even at the end she is looking towards Alto and Ranka for support. Sheryl is the needier of the trio and only way to give give her substantial development is for her become less reliant on others. At least that is what I think but this would mean she couldn’t be chosen by Alto as it would be back tracking her development.
I think one huge overlooked flaw of Sheryl was she didn’t confront Ranka about Grace. She had opportunity to do so. I have always wondered why Sheryl never said anything to Ranka about it. If a manager just dumps you like that and your best friend is still with said manager you would want to warn them. If Sheryl had said something it makes you wonder what would have happened. Ranka was uneasy accepting Grace as her manager partly because of Sheryl.
Of Ranka’s lack of outfits and Sheryl’s huge wardrobe. There are good and bad points with both. Sheryl’s huge wardrobe means she doesn’t really have a signature outfit. If you think of an image of Sheryl first thought is of her long pink-blond hair. With Ranka you think of her in her orange and yellow idol dress doing the “kira” pose. It’s something easily recognizable and much easier to spread around. Sheryl doesn’t have that. However it does get really tiring watching concerts where the idol wears exact same outfits for every song. We need a good balance. They movies do a better job of it.
Reki said:
That is a interesting way to think about it and I agree in the end Sheryl was the most needy, perhaps this explains a bit about why Sheryl fans go so crazy over needing Alto x Sheryl in the TV series even after they got an end in the movie. I mean if she got rejected it would have sucked big time for Sheryl considering everything and fans would have raged, this just adds to my interpretations I’ve stated on this blog. However all three of them did have a dependency with each other. Alto of course needed his wings (but mostly Ranka in the TV show) and Ranka got her courage from Alto and looked to Sheryl as her role model. This is one of the reasons why I hated the love triangle in this show because ending it is kind of like forcing them all to cut off a part of themselves when Alto chooses.
The one nice thing is I think by the end at least Ranka and Alto both had learned to not be so needy as Ranka had completed her journey of self-discovery and Alto finally stopped running away like he did for the entire show. At least that’s how I viewed his fighting for Ranka in the end against Brera instead of just running away like he had been doing. I mean Brera had owned him so many times, told him he didn’t deserve Ranka and was making him feel inadequate (which of course oh look a vulnerable Sheryl just happen to fall into his arms right after the big goodbye in episode 21 lol).
Also as I’ve pretty much said over and over again on my blog, the TV series was clearly designed for a Ranka end. All the facts support it and I’ve seen enough anime in my life and know enough about standard anime convention to feel it in my bones when I see it. All arguments that have any sort of real evidence for a Sheryl end I see come not from the show but either using Macross history as a form of canon or from quotes said later on that I really wonder how much creditability they hold, not to mention you have to remember Kawamori likes to troll. It’s really sad so many Ranka x Alto fans that have been fooled by what I call the victors rewriting history.
You know I never thought about that but your right. If it had been Ranka you would have heard it from all the Sheryl fans how terrible it made Ranka but it’s just another case of popularity overcoming shortcomings. But there was a lot of script writing failure in the show and like I said I blame it mostly because they had to remake this show to fit in Sheryl more than she should have been in the first place, this just adds to the pile to me. Now that I think about it why didn’t Grace just kill Sheryl to cover her shady tracks (the disease obviously wasn’t killing her very fast), I’d say that was most likely where she was intended to die originally if it’s true she was suppose to die. However they did say she was suppose to die early on originally and episode 16(?) is not really early on so who knows.
I’ve also blamed Alto for Ranka’s problems at the end, the guy obviously cared for Ranka a ton but it seemed like his head was full of air that he couldn’t see a thing past what was placed directly in front of him. But this is so common in anime and this is just a small side rant. haha
The Kira pose is the most iconic thing that is associated with Macross F so yes I agree that is one thing Ranka will always have.
angelfox22 said:
Thinking about it some more Sheryl became needier as the series went on. Maybe she became desperate to regain fame and when she realized the one she was most dependent on wasn’t going to help her and most of her fans left her. It’s sad but it’s really as you put it’s almost a reverse of Ranka and Alto’s development.
This is what annoys me most about triangles. Why is it the one has decide for the other two? Why can’t one of the two decide to leave the triangle and dump the one. I was hoping to get a rejected Alto scene. I would have felt sorry for Alto. The girl that would have done it would have gained a lot of respect though. I always thought Sheryl would be better with someone who would be more devoted to her then Alto. Alto would fly off and while Ranka we know would wait would Sheryl be able to? I was hoping in the movies they would have double happy end. Brera with Sheryl and Alto with Ranka.
There were tons of hints in the series for that. The biggest hint is sparkly eyes and blushed cheeks of course. You have to remember though fans have a tendency to only see their possibility when interpreting events. They wouldn’t want to see other possibilities even if it’s thrown in the face at them. Always found earring glow representing love for Sheryl argument very funny considering how many times it glowed for Ranka and that you could see light of earring through his helmet when Vajera got attacked earlier. Does this mean he loves the Vajera most? XD Relating to the series not movies of course. Movies do a better job at showing earring as form of communication.
To me it felt like Sheryl forgot it was Grace that dumped her. Sheryl was just too busy being depressed and wanting others to help her to help someone else. I admit you can be too depressed to think straight but even then she hand chances to talk to Ranka once she was better. I wouldn’t say fully cured of depression though. There are hints she was wanting to die or no longer wanted to live that way towards the end. Her scene with Alto before final battle could be taken as a goodbye scene. Sheryl one saying goodbye of course.
I never blamed Alto for Ranka’s departure. If you notice in the scene he was still upset over losing his best friend. That consumed him and as a result he lost sight of everything else including Ranka when faced with one of the same kind that killed his friend. His focus was not on Ranka when it needed to be. They couldn’t do that scene with his best friend still alive. I think Alto would have left with Ranka or at least got her to stay long enough to get everyone else to go with her. In earlier episodes he looked really upset over killing them and later using Ranka to kill them he looked depressed. He didn’t want that to happen at all.
The “kira” pose will last for a very long time. Probably outlive Sheryl.
Reki said:
I think the best part is episode 25 when Ranka starts singing Anata no Oto and Alto looks up and his earrings glow. I mean one, this song was the song of telling her feelings to Alto. Two, the episode title for ep 25 is “Anata no Oto” I think that is just way too obvious and finally of course Sheryl gives up saying “she has nothing left at all” and they have to make her snap out of it. I find it interesting people say her feelings in the song never reached Alto, sure seemed like it did there. Despite being such an important song it was left out of the movies, they considered it for the end instead of Hoshikira but didn’t go with it which I think means a lot too.
I’m not so sure about Brera and Sheryl, it would be nice but did the two have any hints of such a thing happening?
I don’t blame Alto completely I just think he could have handled everything better particularly the parts before Micheal died. I mean I suppose blame is the wrong word here, I just think Ranka ended up in a bad situation where she had no one to turn to for advice but Brera which was the wrong person to give it and so she ends up leaving and became a hated character when she really wasn’t a bad person.
angelfox22 said:
Which reminds me. I found it odd Ranka gets mentioned in the triangle/”my wings” scene. Ranka we know has recovered because she is singing. No sign of her being depressed anymore and the whole scene is more focused on Sheryl. Suddenly Alto turns up and suddenly it’s about Ranka too. At end of scene it is both Ranka and Alto together reaching for Sheryl. You could have a whole topic for that scene alone though.
Brera x Sheryl sorta in first movie there were hints. He was her bodyguard and both were used by Grace. They might have developed something through that. Series wise nothing much but I always felt it was possible afterwards for them to meet up or Sheryl to stay in contact with Alto’s adopted brother. Brera seemed a better fit though. To me Ranka didn’t have the same sort of possibilities open for her.
Alto wasn’t fully with it for final arcs of the series. it wasn’t until he found out Ranka was captured did he start to become more focused. Says a lot about his thought patterns during the series. Ranka in distress > ignore all else > rescue Ranka. Probably way he was messed up. He didn’t have Ranka to keep him focused anymore.
Reki said:
Yes that scene and a whole lot other scenes I could have written a ton about but that’s why I stuck with a screenshot comparison blog post because it was simple got my point across and wouldn’t have taken a month to write about. For my own sanity though I need to just move on from the whole love triangle thing, I am 99% sure that Ranka won now in the TV series. The only way you could prove otherwise is if you can show Sheryl somehow made a lasting impression on Alto over Ranka in the beginning but I find that hard to believe when comparing the events but that is pretty much my only 1% doubt left.