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Seletar (XSP/WSSL) an alternate airport in Singapore.

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Seletar is possibly Singapore's best-kept secret and the ideal base for any low-cost airline. While it may not be able to accommodate a B737-300 or > yet, I can think of at least half a dozen jet aircraft types seating up to 120 passengers which can comfortably use Seletar's existing runway to fly to destinations up to three hours' flying time from Singapore. Seletar Airport only needs the installation of an instrument landing system and some minor modifications to the existing terminal building, at an estimated cost of $10 million.
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The Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore said it was prepared to lengthen the runway slightly :o at Seletar Airport if Malaysian budget carrier AirAsia chose to fly from there. It has also confirmed that landing fees for all new airlines would be waived for the first two years to help their businesses take off.
AirAsia's chief executive Tony Fernandes had said it wanted to fly out of Seletar rather than Changi because it would be cheaper and cut ticket costs. He has complained that the Seletar runway is not long enough to cope with his planes. At the moment, the runway only caters to smaller charter and private planes.
The CAAS said even if AirAsia picks Seletar, it could still use Changi as a stop-gap measure until the runway changes are ready. Local start-up ValuAir earlier said it would prefer to fly out of Changi, while Singapore Airlines still has not decided where its start-up budget airline would operate from. (most probably Changi)
Seletar Airport, Singapore, Building 556, West Camp, Seletar Airport 797794 ( Time Zone: GMT+8 )
Tel: +65 6481 3632, 6481 3632, 6481 0017, 6481 3665 Fax: +65 6481 1190, 6483 3044
e-mail: [email protected]
Managing Director: Bernard Lim +65 6541 2105, 6481 7785
Air Traffic Controller: Peter Neo +65 6481 3066 Assistant Manager: Lek Hi Huak Operator: Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore

Airport Data: International, Singapore 13km (8miles), Position 01°25´01"N, 103°52´09"E, Elevation 11m (36ft), 24 hours, 27 Aircraft Stands
Airfield Data: Fire Category 6/4
Emergency Services: Fire Service, Medical Evacuation
Navigational Aids: PAPI, Aerodiomel Beacon, VFR
Airfield Restrictions: No circuit flying or training operation permitted 14:00-23:00 UTC
Runway 1: 1,632m (5,354ft), ICAO Cat. 6, Aircraft size max: B727, Lighting: Approach, Runway, Taxiway & Threshold Lights

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Ryanair heeft een nieuwe locatie gevonden :D

Admin translated: "Ryanair has found a new location" :D

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hehehe :evil:

:D

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in Singapore..

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zillox wrote:Ryanair heeft een nieuwe locatie gevonden :d
Correct, this might not be a joke. Mr Ryan is (was) in Singapore...

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Re: in Singapore..

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SN30952 wrote:Correct, this might not be a joke. Mr Ryan is (was) in Singapore...
Yes, but Mr Ryan sold his airline to Mr O'Leary and is using the proceeds to create a new low-cost in Thailand.
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Re: in Singapore.. in Hong Kong.. in Bangkok and KUL

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sn26567 wrote:
SN30952 wrote:Correct, this might not be a joke. Mr Ryan is (was) in Singapore...
Yes, but Mr Ryan sold his airline to Mr O'Leary and is using the proceeds to create a new low-cost in Thailand.
Correct again, and he brought along to the FE, a former manager of that airline...
Mr O'Leary is still in Europe, I guess...

Remember Asians love this kind of man.
Chinese like to hear and tell stories as this: e.g. Mr Charoen, opened his first business, a lucky draw lottery, with an investment of Bt 200 when he was just 11 years*.
It paid of and now 50 years later he is one of Thailand's richest men.
His father was a foodvendor; he ran a tiny fried-oyster outlet at Thong Wad Road near Bangkok Chinatown.**
His son, that's Mr Charoen, now control's Thailand biggest liquor business, which includes top brand beer Chang, owns hotels here and abroad, and has stakes in firms involved in property development among other firms.
He branched into beer only early '9ties. Beer Thai(1991) was set up: today Beer Thai controls 60% of the Thai beer market...
Also in 9ties he spent Bt 1 billion in CASH to buy the Imperial Hotel Group in Bangkok. He acquired long established Berli Jucker Plc and entered in property joint venture with Capital Land of Singapore.
Learn more about that Here
This is to say: That's the kind of people Mr Ryan is now developping his ideas with... Remember: Dermot Ryan started in 1949, as a car rental company with one second hand car in Eire?

For people who are starved of any sense of humor, this kind of stories are 'nec plus ultra'...***
Look again also at my posts:
Tony Ryan's, Ryanair founder, plan B?
Who knows Tony Fernandes? Who knows Air Asia?
The Ryan family to invest in Macau?

*That was 50 years ago and Bt200 at that time was quite a lot of money, the story omits to tell. Nowadays a mason's daily salary is still Bt150- about 3Euro. **The capital's centre of gambling. *** Chinese, and particularly Singaporian (Chinese) lack sense, if not all, of humor. Don't try to crack a joke there, they do not get the fun of it. They simply do not understand humor, unless it is theirs... (And the content of that does not fit in these columns!!)

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wow! having flown out of Seltar for several years I have never seen anything much larger than a DC-3 operate there, but many private jets of the Lear class were based there.

One of the BIG drawbacks are the local regulations and the fact that Selatar is used as a training base for air traffic controllers, who memorize the rule book and apply it without any sense at all.

Typical inflight conversation with Seletar tower:

Selatar tower November 3395 Sierra on five mile final for runway 21, I have the runway visual - cancel my IFR flight plan.

95 Sierra be advised that Seletar is IMC and we have no instrument facilities.

Roger Seletar be advised that niner five sierra has the runway visual at five miles and is requesting a visual approach.

Negative 95 sierra we are IMC due to low cloud five miles south of the Airport, request denied.

Seletar be advised that I have the runway visual at five miles North of the Runway and request a visual approach to runway 21.

Negative niner five sierra we are IMC.

This could go on all day until he could find absolutely no reason to deny your landings. On one occasion I declared an emergency and was still denied permission to land on I runway I could clearly see from ten miles out.
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By the way the picture above shows the flying club side of the runway, with the general aviation ramp being on the other side of the runway. The main runway is out of sight at the bottom of the picture.

The building under the big green tree is the flying club building, and the hangers behind it are mostly repair shops for local charter companies.

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In the streets of Singapore...

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N3395S wrote:wow! .... who memorize the rule book and apply it without any sense at all.
All Singapore is like that.... without any sense at all....:roll:
and certainly without without any sense of humour nor humor at all... :oops:

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Busy scene at Singapore-Selatar 28 sep 1978
N336CA CURTIS C46 KRIS AIR
N337CA CURTIS C46 KRIS AIR
N64422 DC 3 KRIS AIR
VH-INK Carvair -
VH-INM Carvair -
PK-AKR DC3 Air Fast Indonesia

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For those of you who are history buffs you might be interested to know that Seletar was the British military flying boat base prior to world war II, and the Seletar was heavily bombed and strafed by Japanese aircraft.
Many of those hangers in use today and still have the 1 inch thick armor plating ten feet high around all sides of the hanger, and that plating is still riddled with the Japanese bullet holes, to the point that on the doors of one hanger you can't put your hand on the door without covering a bullet hole.

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Re: In the streets of Singapore...

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SN30952 wrote:
N3395S wrote:wow! .... who memorize the rule book and apply it without any sense at all.
All Singapore is like that.... without any sense at all....:roll:
and certainly without without any sense of humour nor humor at all... :oops:
You can say that again. In the early 1980s the Singapore DCA sold for scrap an airworthy early model DC-2, in order to secure thier past due hanger rent of a few hundred dollars. A few of us tried to ante up the rent just to stop the destruction of a rare and historic airplane, but that option wasn't in the Singapore rule books.

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Spent one overnight there back in 1988, with a Fokker F27 Friendship, on a ferry flight from Australia to England. :D

It was a military installation then, we found out just AFTER we took some photos of our Aircraft parked there, and the Miltary Police told us off. :wink: :oops:

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qnnm wrote:Busy scene at Singapore-Selatar 28 sep 1978
N336CA CURTIS C46 KRIS AIR
N337CA CURTIS C46 KRIS AIR
N64422 DC 3 KRIS AIR
VH-INK Carvair -
VH-INM Carvair -
PK-AKR DC3 Air Fast Indonesia
Yep that was typical of the Seletar aircraft population in those days, nothing on that list much less than thirty years old.

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Just as a matter of interest, hopefully :wink:

This is our F27 overnight at Seletar. :D

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