By: PLAMC
- 9th July 2004 at 06:21Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
is there any specifications of this Iranian fighter?
and did it fly yet? i mean the pic of it could be a prototype or a full scale mockup display?
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By: AirPower
- 9th July 2004 at 07:04Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
is there any specifications of this Iranian fighter?
and did it fly yet? i mean the pic of it could be a prototype or a full scale mockup display?
Seems to be flying or doing atleast taxi trials ... see the gif above
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By: MiG_Master
- 9th July 2004 at 07:40Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hi,
Just ..Make a cockpit like a F-CK-1(360 )and put RD-93 and Fly by Wire...and Increase wing span by 33 Deg`s.. The Iran will have one of the most beautifull and agile horroficaly Good!1 Combat Fighter able to perform air defence and secondry attack role..she will have the same specs as F-16A/B Block 15 ( I think thats the yardstick )
By: savage-rabbit
- 9th July 2004 at 15:14Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Coolness is not sufficient a factor.
True! And it bugs the hell out of some people.. :D
We simply do not know enough about the avionics of this plane to make a comparision.
But we do know enough about the FC-1 say at this point (pending more information on the Iranian plane), the FC-1 still has the upper hand on the avionics. We do know the FC-1 has a duplex fly-by-wire system, probably comes with Grifro PD radar and has and will be delievered with a BVR missile.
If the F-7 series is anything to go by Chengdu will outfit the FC-1 with any avionics/electronics that the customer can obtain. That includes western European, Israeli and Russian as well as Chinese options. I would say that the quality of any individual FC-1 export version will largely depend on what you put in it, ie. whether you go for the bargain basement model with baseline Chinese avionics or buy something more potent like up to date fully featured European or Israeli gear. The Iranians on the other hand do not have most of these options Israel is out, as are the Europeans who will not sell Iran any hight tech military gear. This leaves three options. Numbers one and two are China and Russia. Both of whom will think long and hard before aggrivating Uncle Sam and generally screwing up their trade relations with the west by selling hi-tech miltary electronics to Iran. Option three is developing the avionics from scratch domestically in Iran which is difficult and extremely expensive. I can't say I envy the Iraninans of their situation but I admire their persistance and ingenuity.
Cheers
SR
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By: seb92100
- 9th July 2004 at 23:26Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
A double tail for an F5 is an non-sense !!!
Double tail are efficient only if they are distant enough from one another. Otherwise, their effect is slighly less than a simple tail of the same surface (ie mass). The F5 is not wide enough and they had to put a significant angle to regain a bit effectiveness. I think such a configuration on a F5 is less efficient (ie heavier) than a simple tail ...
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By: desijatt
- 10th July 2004 at 02:46Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Fc-1 vs Irainan fighter? tough choice
Jf-17 vs Iranian fighter? Thunder of course!
The avionics and STUFF is different in JF-17 and in FC-1 its cheap stuff.
By: GoldenDragon
- 10th July 2004 at 04:03Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The versus stuff with the FC-1 is rather a silly attempt to derail the discussion. The person who began it is not interested in the Azakrsh II but in a way to start another south Asia-related flamewar so just ignore him. Or if you do want to flame then go to his poll and do it there.
The newsworthy part is that Iran has developed a fighter.
If you're a true flight fan, it is always interesting when one of the non-majors (countries outside of the Western circle and Russia) creates something.
With the Iranians, they have two homegrown trainers, the Tazarv and the Safagh, and possibly two fighters programs, the twin F-5 above (which might or might not be the Azakarsh II) and the mythical Saeqeh-80. That is pretty good for a country under embargo.
We shouldn't be bringing planes from other countries into this thread.
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By: Anonymous
- 28th July 2004 at 16:08Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
stuff
Hi,
Just ..Make a cockpit like a F-CK-1(360 )and put RD-93 and Fly by Wire...and Increase wing span by 33 Deg`s.. The Iran will have one of the most beautifull and agile horroficaly Good!1 Combat Fighter able to perform air defence and secondry attack role..she will have the same specs as F-16A/B Block 15 ( I think thats the yardstick )
What do ya all say....
Cheers
MiG_Master
i read sometime ago that they was putting russian mig 29 engines in this new plane. so the iranian jet would be based on american f-5 and have russian engine(s) and some iranian design. so what engines has it got, ones based on the f-5 engines or russian ones? it looks good though and a twin tail looks interesting on the new jet. im still biased to the f-20 and think what could have been, she is just a great bird that should have been in service...
By: Raygun
- 28th July 2004 at 16:51Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
don't fall that about who has better radar's.the key to suscessful dogfight, who has the better datlink.some stat u see for radar proformce is bs.liked the f-15 can see out too 400km!. keep dreaming.awacs has only about halve the range. and they use a much bigger dish to scan with.in reality onbroad aircraft radar's[any contry!] useful range info is about 100km....
By: GoldenDragon
- 28th July 2004 at 19:06Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
i read sometime ago that they was putting russian mig 29 engines in this new plane. so the iranian jet would be based on american f-5 and have russian engine(s) and some iranian design. so what engines has it got, ones based on the f-5 engines or russian ones? it looks good though and a twin tail looks interesting on the new jet. im still biased to the f-20 and think what could have been, she is just a great bird that should have been in service...
I don't think the Iranians went Russian with the engines. It seems to me that they've reverse engined the J-85 turbojet from the F-5.
The exhaust nozzles on the new plane doesn't look too different from that on the F-5. And I don't think they are using solely spares or cannibalized engines from the existing F-5 fleet because those engines would be over two decades old and building a new plane based on availability of 25-year-old spare engines would have a very short life.
It means Iran has a powerplant it could make on its own. As for second tail stabilizer, it will of course increase weight. But it's quite likely that their J-85 derivative has an increase in thrust over the original engine so the extra weight is not a penalty (as compared to the original F-5.)
By: baddarman
- 30th July 2004 at 13:38Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
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Iran, a brief history
In 1923 Persian Reza Khan was elected prime minister and eleven years later, in 1934 Persia was renamed to Iran. During WWII Khan was forced into exile to South Africa by the British and Soviets and his son, Ariamehr Mohamed Reza Paklavi, succeeded him, taking on strong bonds with the West. He ruled until the Dr. Mohammad Mossadegh became the democratically elected prime minister in May 1951. Allegedly with CIA interference, his government was overthrown after 27 months of service, in August 1953 and Reza was again installed in power.
During its regime, Reza adopted the title of Shah and the economic situation in the country deteriorated which led to massive demonstrations and unrests in 1978. These unrests were supported by several political prongs within Iran; the most powerful of these became the Shi'a clergy, which used the situation to install itself in power, and declare the "Islamic Republic of Iran" (IRI). The Shah's rule collapsed and he fled the country on 16 January 1979. In turn, Ayatollah Khomeini, the acknowledged leader of the Shah's opponents, returned from exile to rule the country from than on. The Ayatollah proclaimed Islamic fundamentalism (Shi'a Islam) and conservative clerical forces subsequently crushed westernizing elements.
The 1980 move of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein in which he tried to claim the Khuzestan province lead to a bloody eight year war (the First Gulf War) between Iran and Iraq. It eventually led to an UN-mandated indecisive ceasefire in 1988 and it cost the lives of hundreds of thousands.
When the Ayatollah passed away on 4 June 1989, president Rafsanjani was elected. But during his rule the Emam (Supreme Leader) role was taken over by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei In 1997 a moderate Iranian president, Hojjat-ol-Eslam Seyed Mohammed Khatami was elected and many hoped that relations with the rest of the world would improve. Between Rezas second rule and the election of Khatami in 1997 the image of Iran in the West became that of a very fundamentalist, contra western country. While his presidency has certainly instigated a national dialogue about relaxing government restrictions, the increasing polarization between Khatamis liberal circle and Supreme Leader Khameneis hard-line fundamentalist supporters may have actually led to more incidents of censorship and discrimination.
Source (among others)
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Air Armed Forces designations
The armed forces that operate aircraft are:
Pre-revolution
IIAF -Imperial Iranian Air Force (mid '20s-feb79)
IIAA - Imperial Iranian Army Aviation, IIAA (-feb79)
IIN - Imperial Iranian Navy (-feb79)
Post-revolution
IRIAF - Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (feb79 - current)
IRIAA - Islamic Republic of Iran Army Aviation (feb79 - current)
IRINA - Islamic Republic of Iranian Navy Aviation (feb79- current)
IRGCAF - Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps Air Force (Pasdaran-e Inqilab)
IRGCN - Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy
The Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF)
Note
Information on the Iranian Armed Forces is not widely available and post-revolution the forces are known to have gone through several major reorganisations (especially in the mid-90s). The information presented here is a reflection of what is know and published in open sources and not all reorganisations are reflected in this overview. Updates, additions and corrections are therefore very welcome!
A brief history
An Air Arm in the Persian Forces was established in the mid-20s. Operating De Havilland DH-82 Tiger Moths, Hawker Furies, Audax's and Hinds. In August 1955 the air arm (then called Imperial Iranian Air Force (IIAF)) gained independence and fell under the Ministry of War (Aviation Department). Under the Shas rule the USA supplied a large number of combat aircraft including 79 F-14A Tomcats, 32 F-4D Phantoms, 177 F-4Es and 16 RF-4Es, 140 F-5Es and 28 dual seat F-5Fs. Iran Air Defense relied heavily on western hardware until an arms-embargo was established when militant Iranian students seized the US Embassy in Tehran on 4 November 1979. Due to the seizure of spare parts delivery, the operational status of the western equipment deteriorated quickly (despite the US delivered equipment during the Iran gate scandal under the Ronald Reagan/George Bush Administration). The Iran-Iraq war resulted in a huge boost of the indigenous arms industry and through local production of arms and spare parts, the Iranian Armed Forces kept its assets airworthy. After the February 1979 revolution the only western deliveries were 35 Pilatus PC-7, 15 PC-6 Porters and 15 Brazilian-built EMB312 Tucano trainers. These deliveries took place between 1983 and 1990. The main non-western suppliers of aircraft and support have undoubtedly been China with their deliveries of F-7M (MiG-21) and and Russia with the MiG-29, An-74, Su-24MK (some ex Iraq AF) and Il-76TDs (some ex Iraq AF).
Mid 1991, during the 2nd Gulf War a lot of Iraq Air Force pilot fled to their neighboring country Iran, supplying the IRIAF with a large number of aircraft including Mirage F1BQ/EQ (which now forms at least one sauqdron at Mashhad), Su-24MK Fencer-Ds, MiG-29 Fulcrums, Su-20s, Su-22M Fitters, Su-25 Frogfoots, MiG-23s in several configurations and a number of Il-76s. At least the Mirages and the Su-24MKs gained operational status.
The air arm of the Iranian armed forces has drawn a lot of media attention lately by revealing some of the locally produced and upgraded hardware during the Khoramshahr Air Exhibition held in May and June 2002 and the Iran International Air Show held at Kish Island (OIBK) in October and November 2002. Iran is clearly trying to achieve a totally self-sufficient armaments capability and is doing quite well taking into account that the arms trade had come to a total stand-still since the 1979 revolution. Some of the projects currently undertaken by the local industries like the Iran Aircraft Manufacturing Industries (IAMI) in conjunction with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) are:
The Simorgh is a Northrop F-5A to F-5B conversion by the Iran Aircraft Manufacturing Industries (IAMI) at Shahin Shahr Isfahan
Shafagh, a two-seat Advanced training and Attack aircraft that is allegedly based on the Russian-Iranian "Project Integral". Plans are to produce three versions of the Shafagh. One two-seat trainer/light strike version and two one-seat fighter-bomber versions. They will be fitted with Russian ejection seats.
Parastu (Swallow), a reverse-engineered Beech F33 Bonanza
Azarakhsh (Lightning), a reverse engineered F-5E.
JT2-2 Tazarv, the third prototype of the jet-powered Dorna (Lark) which is a light trainer
Shahed 274, a locally designed light helicopter with a combination of components of several helicopter-types, mainly the Bell 206.
Shavabiz 75, a reverse-engineered Bell 214C
Project 2061, a reverse-engineered Bell 206
Project 2091, an upgrade program of the AH-1J
Iran-140, a license built Antonov An-140
Besides these projects the local aviation industry performs upgrades and overhaul programs on a high technical level on the complete fleet of fixed wing aircraft and helicopters.
It is confirmed that an unknown number of "new" Su-25s were delivered to the Iranian Revolution Guards Corps Air Force (IRGCAF) in 2003. Where these Frogfoots originate from is unclear. During an arms exhibition at Tehran-Mehrabad set up to commemorate the 8-year war with Iraq, a Su-25 was shown to the public. Also an F-14A and a JT2-2 Tazarv were displayed.
Airbase structure
The IRIAF Airbase structure consists of a number of Tactical Air Bases which are numbered.
1st Tactical Air Base , Tehran Mehrabad Int'l (OIII)
2nd Tactical Air Base , Tabriz (OITT) (aka Janbaz and Shahid Bakeri)
3rd Tactical Air Base , Nosheh (OIHH) (aka Hamadan)
4th Tactical Air Base , Vahdati (OIAD) (aka Dezful)
5th Tactical Air Base , Omidiyeh (OIAJ)
6th Tactical Air Base , Bushehr (OIBB)
7th Tactical Air Base , Shiraz Shahid Dastghaib Int'l (OISS)
8th Tactical Air Base , Esfahan/Shahid Beheshti Int'l (OIFM)
9th Tactical Air Base , Bandar Abbas Int'l (OIKB)
10th Tactical Air Base , Chah Bahar (OIZC)
13th Tactical Air Base, Zahedan (OIZH)
14th Tactical Air Base, Mashhad (OIMM)
Unknown airbase assignments are:
Tehran-Ghale-Morghi (OIIG)
Shahid Ashrafi Esfahani(aka Bakhtaran and Kermanshah) (OICC)
12th? Tactical Air Base, Tehran-Doshan/Tappeh (OIID)
12th? Tactical Air Base, Masjed Suleyman (OIAI) (aka Shahid Asyaee)
??th Tactical Air Base, Aghajari (OIAG)
??th Tactical Air Base, Kerman (OIKK)
??th Tactical Air Base, Mahabad (OI??)
??th Tactical Air Base, Ahwaz (OIAW)
??th Tactical Air Base, Khorramshahr (OI??)
??th Tactical Air Base, Khark Island (OIBQ)
??th Tactical Air Base, Nou Shahr (OINN) (Noshahr)
??th Tactical Air Base, Abamusa Island (OIBA)
??th Tactical Air Base, Badr (OIFP) (aka Sepah Air Base)
The Islamic Republic of Iran Army Aviation (IRIAA)
During the 1970s the Army air arm expanded greatly with the acquisition of over 300 Bell 214As and 200+ Bell AH-1J Cobras together with approximately 185 Italian build Agusta-Bell 206s, approximately 100 AB205s and 66 CH-47C Chinooks that were Agusta-Meridionali built. The fixed wing force consisted of Cessna O-2s, Cessna-185s, Cessna 310s, Dassault Falcon 20Es, Rockwell AC690 Aero Commanders and Fokker F27s from which probably only the Fokkers and the Falcons are currently operational. Post revolution the IRIAA was provided with a number (9?) of Harbin Y-12s.
The Islamic Republic of Iran Navy Aviation (IRINA)
The principal attack and ASW role of the IRINA is executed by its 20 or so SH-3D Sea Kings, supported by a number of AB212ASWs. It also has some heavy-lift RH-53Ds and for liaison purposes it has Agusta built AB205As and AB206As. The Navy Patrol Squadron is equipped with Dassault Falcon 20Es and Fokker F27-400M.
By: matt
- 30th July 2004 at 17:28Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
do the have a base near Kashan ? (excuse the spelling)
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By: dassault
- 7th December 2004 at 13:23Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hi,
Just ..Make a cockpit like a F-CK-1(360 )and put RD-93 and Fly by Wire...and Increase wing span by 33 Deg`s.. The Iran will have one of the most beautifull and agile horroficaly Good!1 Combat Fighter able to perform air defence and secondry attack role..she will have the same specs as F-16A/B Block 15 ( I think thats the yardstick )
What do ya all say....
Cheers
MiG_Master
How old are you ? :rolleyes:
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By: dassault
- 7th December 2004 at 13:26Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
quite creditable for a country relatively isolated on the world scene.
Iran is the third largest consumer of Russian arms after China and India. This is a claim made by Russia itself.
There are numerous Russian organisations (aerospace especially) working in Iran currently. The Russian Space Agency, the state-owned arms trading company Rosvooruzheniye, NPO Trud, a rocket engine manufacturer, Polyus, a laser manufacturer, the Bauman Institute; and the Russian Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute (TsAGI) are a few of them.
Iran gets immense help from Russia in whatever it does, the recent Shahaab-3 Missile is the best example which is a gift to the Iranians from the Russian expatriate scientists in Iran. Another gift of these Russian expatriates to IRAN will be a satellite which will be launched by mid 2005.
Iran is not isolated at all. Money talks, it even sings. :)
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By: dassault
- 7th December 2004 at 13:28Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I don't think the Iranians went Russian with the engines. It seems to me that they've reverse engined the J-85 turbojet from the F-5.
The exhaust nozzles on the new plane doesn't look too different from that on the F-5. And I don't think they are using solely spares or cannibalized engines from the existing F-5 fleet because those engines would be over two decades old and building a new plane based on availability of 25-year-old spare engines would have a very short life.
It means Iran has a powerplant it could make on its own. As for second tail stabilizer, it will of course increase weight. But it's quite likely that their J-85 derivative has an increase in thrust over the original engine so the extra weight is not a penalty (as compared to the original F-5.)
Iran has not reverse-engineered any engine. Where did you hear this from ? I guess too much ACIG forums reading Behzadan posts (kidding).
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By: Emsley
- 8th December 2004 at 00:06Permalink- Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
actually dassaualt you are wrong. There is an arms embargo on Iran setup by the US and companies from China, UAE, Russia have all been caught. There are ways around it obviously but the threat still lingers and is serious.
I am very much interested to see where you get your information from because I tried globalsecurity and fas but they are not really too good since most of their analysis says "it is believed" and such.
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By: PLAMC - 9th July 2004 at 06:21 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
is there any specifications of this Iranian fighter?
and did it fly yet? i mean the pic of it could be a prototype or a full scale mockup display?
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By: AirPower - 9th July 2004 at 07:04 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Seems to be flying or doing atleast taxi trials ... see the gif above
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By: MiG_Master - 9th July 2004 at 07:40 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Hi,
Just ..Make a cockpit like a F-CK-1(360 )and put RD-93 and Fly by Wire...and Increase wing span by 33 Deg`s.. The Iran will have one of the most beautifull and agile horroficaly Good!1 Combat Fighter able to perform air defence and secondry attack role..she will have the same specs as F-16A/B Block 15 ( I think thats the yardstick )
What do ya all say....
Cheers
MiG_Master
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By: savage-rabbit - 9th July 2004 at 15:14 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
True! And it bugs the hell out of some people.. :D
If the F-7 series is anything to go by Chengdu will outfit the FC-1 with any avionics/electronics that the customer can obtain. That includes western European, Israeli and Russian as well as Chinese options. I would say that the quality of any individual FC-1 export version will largely depend on what you put in it, ie. whether you go for the bargain basement model with baseline Chinese avionics or buy something more potent like up to date fully featured European or Israeli gear. The Iranians on the other hand do not have most of these options Israel is out, as are the Europeans who will not sell Iran any hight tech military gear. This leaves three options. Numbers one and two are China and Russia. Both of whom will think long and hard before aggrivating Uncle Sam and generally screwing up their trade relations with the west by selling hi-tech miltary electronics to Iran. Option three is developing the avionics from scratch domestically in Iran which is difficult and extremely expensive. I can't say I envy the Iraninans of their situation but I admire their persistance and ingenuity.
Cheers
SR
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By: seb92100 - 9th July 2004 at 23:26 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
A double tail for an F5 is an non-sense !!!
Double tail are efficient only if they are distant enough from one another. Otherwise, their effect is slighly less than a simple tail of the same surface (ie mass). The F5 is not wide enough and they had to put a significant angle to regain a bit effectiveness. I think such a configuration on a F5 is less efficient (ie heavier) than a simple tail ...
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By: desijatt - 10th July 2004 at 02:46 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Fc-1 vs Irainan fighter? tough choice
Jf-17 vs Iranian fighter? Thunder of course!
The avionics and STUFF is different in JF-17 and in FC-1 its cheap stuff.
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By: GoldenDragon - 10th July 2004 at 04:03 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
The versus stuff with the FC-1 is rather a silly attempt to derail the discussion. The person who began it is not interested in the Azakrsh II but in a way to start another south Asia-related flamewar so just ignore him. Or if you do want to flame then go to his poll and do it there.
The newsworthy part is that Iran has developed a fighter.
If you're a true flight fan, it is always interesting when one of the non-majors (countries outside of the Western circle and Russia) creates something.
With the Iranians, they have two homegrown trainers, the Tazarv and the Safagh, and possibly two fighters programs, the twin F-5 above (which might or might not be the Azakarsh II) and the mythical Saeqeh-80. That is pretty good for a country under embargo.
We shouldn't be bringing planes from other countries into this thread.
By: Anonymous - 28th July 2004 at 16:08 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
stuff
i read sometime ago that they was putting russian mig 29 engines in this new plane. so the iranian jet would be based on american f-5 and have russian engine(s) and some iranian design. so what engines has it got, ones based on the f-5 engines or russian ones? it looks good though and a twin tail looks interesting on the new jet. im still biased to the f-20 and think what could have been, she is just a great bird that should have been in service...
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By: Raygun - 28th July 2004 at 16:51 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
don't fall that about who has better radar's.the key to suscessful dogfight, who has the better datlink.some stat u see for radar proformce is bs.liked the f-15 can see out too 400km!. keep dreaming.awacs has only about halve the range. and they use a much bigger dish to scan with.in reality onbroad aircraft radar's[any contry!] useful range info is about 100km....
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By: matt - 28th July 2004 at 18:44 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
could also have decreased the weight as less structural reinforcement is likely to be needed.
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By: GoldenDragon - 28th July 2004 at 19:06 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
I don't think the Iranians went Russian with the engines. It seems to me that they've reverse engined the J-85 turbojet from the F-5.
The exhaust nozzles on the new plane doesn't look too different from that on the F-5. And I don't think they are using solely spares or cannibalized engines from the existing F-5 fleet because those engines would be over two decades old and building a new plane based on availability of 25-year-old spare engines would have a very short life.
It means Iran has a powerplant it could make on its own. As for second tail stabilizer, it will of course increase weight. But it's quite likely that their J-85 derivative has an increase in thrust over the original engine so the extra weight is not a penalty (as compared to the original F-5.)
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By: Canpark - 29th July 2004 at 11:51 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Does anyone have any idea how much these Iranian fighters cost and who are their potential customers?
By: Anonymous - 30th July 2004 at 03:00 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Does anyone have more pictures????
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By: GDL - 30th July 2004 at 11:14 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Why not just mount the wing higher, ad larger LERX, and they have their own Hornet - sorry - Cobra? :p
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By: baddarman - 30th July 2004 at 13:38 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
slt je suis un nouvaux menbre et je veut propose pour vous ses quelque photos sur Iran Airforce ca cera que le premier lot
et voila quelque information
Iran, a brief history
In 1923 Persian Reza Khan was elected prime minister and eleven years later, in 1934 Persia was renamed to Iran. During WWII Khan was forced into exile to South Africa by the British and Soviets and his son, Ariamehr Mohamed Reza Paklavi, succeeded him, taking on strong bonds with the West. He ruled until the Dr. Mohammad Mossadegh became the democratically elected prime minister in May 1951. Allegedly with CIA interference, his government was overthrown after 27 months of service, in August 1953 and Reza was again installed in power.
During its regime, Reza adopted the title of Shah and the economic situation in the country deteriorated which led to massive demonstrations and unrests in 1978. These unrests were supported by several political prongs within Iran; the most powerful of these became the Shi'a clergy, which used the situation to install itself in power, and declare the "Islamic Republic of Iran" (IRI). The Shah's rule collapsed and he fled the country on 16 January 1979. In turn, Ayatollah Khomeini, the acknowledged leader of the Shah's opponents, returned from exile to rule the country from than on. The Ayatollah proclaimed Islamic fundamentalism (Shi'a Islam) and conservative clerical forces subsequently crushed westernizing elements.
The 1980 move of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein in which he tried to claim the Khuzestan province lead to a bloody eight year war (the First Gulf War) between Iran and Iraq. It eventually led to an UN-mandated indecisive ceasefire in 1988 and it cost the lives of hundreds of thousands.
When the Ayatollah passed away on 4 June 1989, president Rafsanjani was elected. But during his rule the Emam (Supreme Leader) role was taken over by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei In 1997 a moderate Iranian president, Hojjat-ol-Eslam Seyed Mohammed Khatami was elected and many hoped that relations with the rest of the world would improve. Between Rezas second rule and the election of Khatami in 1997 the image of Iran in the West became that of a very fundamentalist, contra western country. While his presidency has certainly instigated a national dialogue about relaxing government restrictions, the increasing polarization between Khatamis liberal circle and Supreme Leader Khameneis hard-line fundamentalist supporters may have actually led to more incidents of censorship and discrimination.
Source (among others)
Lonely Planet
Air Combat Information Group Forum
Air Armed Forces designations
The armed forces that operate aircraft are:
Pre-revolution
IIAF -Imperial Iranian Air Force (mid '20s-feb79)
IIAA - Imperial Iranian Army Aviation, IIAA (-feb79)
IIN - Imperial Iranian Navy (-feb79)
Post-revolution
IRIAF - Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (feb79 - current)
IRIAA - Islamic Republic of Iran Army Aviation (feb79 - current)
IRINA - Islamic Republic of Iranian Navy Aviation (feb79- current)
IRGCAF - Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps Air Force (Pasdaran-e Inqilab)
IRGCN - Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy
The Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force (IRIAF)
Note
Information on the Iranian Armed Forces is not widely available and post-revolution the forces are known to have gone through several major reorganisations (especially in the mid-90s). The information presented here is a reflection of what is know and published in open sources and not all reorganisations are reflected in this overview. Updates, additions and corrections are therefore very welcome!
A brief history
An Air Arm in the Persian Forces was established in the mid-20s. Operating De Havilland DH-82 Tiger Moths, Hawker Furies, Audax's and Hinds. In August 1955 the air arm (then called Imperial Iranian Air Force (IIAF)) gained independence and fell under the Ministry of War (Aviation Department). Under the Shas rule the USA supplied a large number of combat aircraft including 79 F-14A Tomcats, 32 F-4D Phantoms, 177 F-4Es and 16 RF-4Es, 140 F-5Es and 28 dual seat F-5Fs. Iran Air Defense relied heavily on western hardware until an arms-embargo was established when militant Iranian students seized the US Embassy in Tehran on 4 November 1979. Due to the seizure of spare parts delivery, the operational status of the western equipment deteriorated quickly (despite the US delivered equipment during the Iran gate scandal under the Ronald Reagan/George Bush Administration). The Iran-Iraq war resulted in a huge boost of the indigenous arms industry and through local production of arms and spare parts, the Iranian Armed Forces kept its assets airworthy. After the February 1979 revolution the only western deliveries were 35 Pilatus PC-7, 15 PC-6 Porters and 15 Brazilian-built EMB312 Tucano trainers. These deliveries took place between 1983 and 1990. The main non-western suppliers of aircraft and support have undoubtedly been China with their deliveries of F-7M (MiG-21) and and Russia with the MiG-29, An-74, Su-24MK (some ex Iraq AF) and Il-76TDs (some ex Iraq AF).
Mid 1991, during the 2nd Gulf War a lot of Iraq Air Force pilot fled to their neighboring country Iran, supplying the IRIAF with a large number of aircraft including Mirage F1BQ/EQ (which now forms at least one sauqdron at Mashhad), Su-24MK Fencer-Ds, MiG-29 Fulcrums, Su-20s, Su-22M Fitters, Su-25 Frogfoots, MiG-23s in several configurations and a number of Il-76s. At least the Mirages and the Su-24MKs gained operational status.
The air arm of the Iranian armed forces has drawn a lot of media attention lately by revealing some of the locally produced and upgraded hardware during the Khoramshahr Air Exhibition held in May and June 2002 and the Iran International Air Show held at Kish Island (OIBK) in October and November 2002. Iran is clearly trying to achieve a totally self-sufficient armaments capability and is doing quite well taking into account that the arms trade had come to a total stand-still since the 1979 revolution. Some of the projects currently undertaken by the local industries like the Iran Aircraft Manufacturing Industries (IAMI) in conjunction with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) are:
The Simorgh is a Northrop F-5A to F-5B conversion by the Iran Aircraft Manufacturing Industries (IAMI) at Shahin Shahr Isfahan
Shafagh, a two-seat Advanced training and Attack aircraft that is allegedly based on the Russian-Iranian "Project Integral". Plans are to produce three versions of the Shafagh. One two-seat trainer/light strike version and two one-seat fighter-bomber versions. They will be fitted with Russian ejection seats.
Parastu (Swallow), a reverse-engineered Beech F33 Bonanza
Azarakhsh (Lightning), a reverse engineered F-5E.
JT2-2 Tazarv, the third prototype of the jet-powered Dorna (Lark) which is a light trainer
Shahed 274, a locally designed light helicopter with a combination of components of several helicopter-types, mainly the Bell 206.
Shavabiz 75, a reverse-engineered Bell 214C
Project 2061, a reverse-engineered Bell 206
Project 2091, an upgrade program of the AH-1J
Iran-140, a license built Antonov An-140
Besides these projects the local aviation industry performs upgrades and overhaul programs on a high technical level on the complete fleet of fixed wing aircraft and helicopters.
It is confirmed that an unknown number of "new" Su-25s were delivered to the Iranian Revolution Guards Corps Air Force (IRGCAF) in 2003. Where these Frogfoots originate from is unclear. During an arms exhibition at Tehran-Mehrabad set up to commemorate the 8-year war with Iraq, a Su-25 was shown to the public. Also an F-14A and a JT2-2 Tazarv were displayed.
Airbase structure
The IRIAF Airbase structure consists of a number of Tactical Air Bases which are numbered.
1st Tactical Air Base , Tehran Mehrabad Int'l (OIII)
2nd Tactical Air Base , Tabriz (OITT) (aka Janbaz and Shahid Bakeri)
3rd Tactical Air Base , Nosheh (OIHH) (aka Hamadan)
4th Tactical Air Base , Vahdati (OIAD) (aka Dezful)
5th Tactical Air Base , Omidiyeh (OIAJ)
6th Tactical Air Base , Bushehr (OIBB)
7th Tactical Air Base , Shiraz Shahid Dastghaib Int'l (OISS)
8th Tactical Air Base , Esfahan/Shahid Beheshti Int'l (OIFM)
9th Tactical Air Base , Bandar Abbas Int'l (OIKB)
10th Tactical Air Base , Chah Bahar (OIZC)
13th Tactical Air Base, Zahedan (OIZH)
14th Tactical Air Base, Mashhad (OIMM)
Unknown airbase assignments are:
Tehran-Ghale-Morghi (OIIG)
Shahid Ashrafi Esfahani(aka Bakhtaran and Kermanshah) (OICC)
12th? Tactical Air Base, Tehran-Doshan/Tappeh (OIID)
12th? Tactical Air Base, Masjed Suleyman (OIAI) (aka Shahid Asyaee)
??th Tactical Air Base, Aghajari (OIAG)
??th Tactical Air Base, Kerman (OIKK)
??th Tactical Air Base, Mahabad (OI??)
??th Tactical Air Base, Ahwaz (OIAW)
??th Tactical Air Base, Khorramshahr (OI??)
??th Tactical Air Base, Khark Island (OIBQ)
??th Tactical Air Base, Nou Shahr (OINN) (Noshahr)
??th Tactical Air Base, Abamusa Island (OIBA)
??th Tactical Air Base, Badr (OIFP) (aka Sepah Air Base)
The Islamic Republic of Iran Army Aviation (IRIAA)
During the 1970s the Army air arm expanded greatly with the acquisition of over 300 Bell 214As and 200+ Bell AH-1J Cobras together with approximately 185 Italian build Agusta-Bell 206s, approximately 100 AB205s and 66 CH-47C Chinooks that were Agusta-Meridionali built. The fixed wing force consisted of Cessna O-2s, Cessna-185s, Cessna 310s, Dassault Falcon 20Es, Rockwell AC690 Aero Commanders and Fokker F27s from which probably only the Fokkers and the Falcons are currently operational. Post revolution the IRIAA was provided with a number (9?) of Harbin Y-12s.
The Islamic Republic of Iran Navy Aviation (IRINA)
The principal attack and ASW role of the IRINA is executed by its 20 or so SH-3D Sea Kings, supported by a number of AB212ASWs. It also has some heavy-lift RH-53Ds and for liaison purposes it has Agusta built AB205As and AB206As. The Navy Patrol Squadron is equipped with Dassault Falcon 20Es and Fokker F27-400M.
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By: matt - 30th July 2004 at 17:28 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
do the have a base near Kashan ? (excuse the spelling)
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By: dassault - 7th December 2004 at 13:23 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
How old are you ? :rolleyes:
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By: dassault - 7th December 2004 at 13:26 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Iran is the third largest consumer of Russian arms after China and India. This is a claim made by Russia itself.
There are numerous Russian organisations (aerospace especially) working in Iran currently. The Russian Space Agency, the state-owned arms trading company Rosvooruzheniye, NPO Trud, a rocket engine manufacturer, Polyus, a laser manufacturer, the Bauman Institute; and the Russian Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute (TsAGI) are a few of them.
Iran gets immense help from Russia in whatever it does, the recent Shahaab-3 Missile is the best example which is a gift to the Iranians from the Russian expatriate scientists in Iran. Another gift of these Russian expatriates to IRAN will be a satellite which will be launched by mid 2005.
Iran is not isolated at all. Money talks, it even sings. :)
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By: dassault - 7th December 2004 at 13:28 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
Iran has not reverse-engineered any engine. Where did you hear this from ? I guess too much ACIG forums reading Behzadan posts (kidding).
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By: Emsley - 8th December 2004 at 00:06 Permalink - Edited 1st January 1970 at 01:00
actually dassaualt you are wrong. There is an arms embargo on Iran setup by the US and companies from China, UAE, Russia have all been caught. There are ways around it obviously but the threat still lingers and is serious.
I do not know about Iran being the third largest export either.
http://www.cdi.org/russia/268-11.cfm and Iran has certainly not made big buys like Yemen has
http://www.mosnews.com/money/2004/11/23/yemenarms.shtml
or India or China.
I am very much interested to see where you get your information from because I tried globalsecurity and fas but they are not really too good since most of their analysis says "it is believed" and such.
regards,
Adam