The Most Powerful Man In

The World?

The "Black" Pope

Count Hans Kolvenbach—The Jesuit’s General

4/15/00 RICK MARTIN

So, you thought you were pretty well informed by now about all of the main
players on the "conspiracy" playing field? You’ve maybe been hearing for years
about (or bumped into on your own) the various elements of society who control
our world from behind the scenes.

You’ve gotten familiar with the role played by, for instance, the Khazarian Zionists
(who invented the word "Jew" to disguise their adopted heritage, as distinguished
from the biblical Judeans), or the role played by the Banksters (banking gangsters)
controlling the economies of the world, by the CFR (Council on Foreign
Relations), the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderbergers, the Committee of
300 (the 17 wealthiest so-called "elite" families)—the Rothschild's in England
and Rockefellers in America and Bronfman's in Canada, and on and on,
comprising the physical power structure of the New World Order puppets under
the direction of darkly motivated, other-dimensional "master deceivers" commonly
known as Lucifer or Satan and their "fallen angel" cohorts.

While all of those details contribute to understanding the Larger Picture, what you
are about to read fills in a most important Missing Link in this entire structure. And
I don’t mean a little side issue; I mean a link so central—yet so well hidden from
general public view, and for so long—that even the most studied of "conspiracy
theory" scholars probably have not put together much of the information that is
going to be presented here.

To call the following outlay "controversial" and "sensitive" is about as mild an

understatement of the truth of the matter as can be made! This missing link
changes the entire slant of the entire playing field!

After months of anticipation and weeks of preparation, I was finally able to speak
with Vatican Assassins author Eric Jon Phelps on Tuesday, March 14. There was
simply no other way to cover Eric’s historic masterpiece spanning, literally, five
centuries, than to just ask questions covering huge spans of time and major
historical events. It took us almost four hours to accomplish the task, yet we could
easily have gone on for another forty.

We here at The SPECTRUM are simply unwilling to reduce the importance of this

work by presenting it in a too distilled fashion. In fact, in order to share this
material with at least some of the pertinent backup, Eric has granted us permission
to print (directly after the interview) several excerpts from his soon-to-be-
published book which will help you in understanding certain aspects of this
magnificently important and broad-sweeping story. The missing link is surely a
central link.

Let’s call this story the "Jesuit-Vatican connection" to the unfolding New World
Order agenda. You make up your own mind just how absolutely central, yet well
hidden, has been this link! There’s a good reason the secret Vatican library is so
extensive and yet remains so intact from outside intrusion, despite the many others
who would like to possess such a collection of information detailing much
"censored" data about our true, otherworldly cultural heritage.

When one reads a work like Vatican Assassins, one can’t help but reflect back on
the purposely "adjusted" and watered down and boring moments in high school
history class. Meanwhile, the true history of what has gone on is dynamic and full
of calculated intrigue.

In this business, I’ve heard and read a lot of things. But when I had to pick my jaw
up off the floor during the reading of certain historical portions in Eric’s book—
well, let me just say that Truth certainly is stranger, and far more interesting, than
the many fictions we’ve been led to believe are historical fact. And yet The Truth
does fit together like the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle.

This book SHOULD be a best-seller, but it is hardly likely to achieve such general
attention—considering how well controlled and censored is the publishing
business. Thus is the reason for our lengthy presentation of this most astonishing
and critically important material here in The SPECTRUM.
We are in a time of Truth being revealed from all directions. And there is probably
no more fundamental, mind-rattling, and previous notions-shattering example of
that than what is being presented here. The interview is directly followed by a
number of pertinent excerpts from Eric’s eye-opening book—which will be
available July 1.

[Editor’s note: It should be noted up-front that the information presented below is
the studied opinion of Eric Jon Phelps. We here at The SPECTRUM find much
about his presentation of his historical research which meshes with and expands
upon Truth which has been presented by many other authors in these pages and
elsewhere. And that is good; Truth is Truth is Truth, and should all mesh.

However, for the peace of mind of our unique readership—which typically has
cultivated a more aware spiritual perspective than the general public—we do not
want to give the impression that we agree with (or wish to promote) some
collateral aspects of Eric’s presentation having to do with his personal "religious"
convictions. The focus of those convictions follows a much more biblically
conventional (literal) path—in stark contrast to the unconventional, questioning,
wide-angle vision of his historical material.

Generally such opinions are simply allowed to stand on their own—for you to sort
and interpret as you see fit—rather than being singled-out to be addressed
editorially. However, in this case, the practical side of Eric’s stated religious
convictions include the condoning of some degree of violence (or violent protest)
and use of armaments. And such convictions are very much the opposite of our
philosophical position—for many reasons, not the least of which is the obvious
Adversarial bait-and-entrapment which would result from choosing what we
would consider to be low-frequency responses to schoolroom Earth’s current
challenges.

Yet, if the perceptive reader penetrates "between the lines" thoughtfully, there is
glimpsed a recurring commendable spiritual message in Eric’s commentary—of
"Have the courage to speak The Truth" and "God helps those who help
themselves"—which we certainly DO agree with wholeheartedly and have long
supported enthusiastically.

We are in the time of the Great Awakening on this planet. The Light of Truth,
intensifying with each passing moment, is nudging many to step forward and share
what they know. Will such ones follow that nudge or continue to hide in fear? The
answer to that question is perhaps the most important aspect of schoolroom
Earth’s relentless testing at this critical time.

One last-minute footnote before beginning this interview: The Arts &
Entertainment (A&E) cable television channel just started to air—on Easter
Sunday evening!—a new two-hour documentary called: The Vatican Revealed.
Tape it so you can study it carefully; within the lines of dialog and some of those
people chosen for commentaries are many, many clues to the true power of the
Vatican over world affairs. It would, of course, be much more revealing to watch
the A&E program AFTER having read and digested the following.]

Martin: Before we begin, let me say a few words. The topic of your book is so
comprehensive and covers, literally, all aspects of global control by the Jesuits,
dating back to 1540. I would like to begin our conversation with a very important
point of clarification so that our readers have something to hold onto while reading
the historical narrative we are about to present. Let me also add that your book is
one of the most compelling, dynamic, genuinely educational historical documents I
have ever read. I want to tell you, I am impressed!

You, literally, link every major global conflict and political assassination to the
hands of the Jesuit Order. The Jews, as with many other groups you mention, have
been the unwitting pawns in this Jesuit Agenda.

Today, the present. I’m going to start here, and then we’re going to go way back in
time and work our way up. But, I want to start HERE because it will give a
foundation for going back in time.

Today, who is the Superior General of the Jesuits, the so-called "Black Pope"
[black here refers to hidden, evil activities, not to race or color] who gives the
orders to the actual Pope. Is it still Jean-Baptist Janssens?

Phelps: Janssens, Frenchman. No, he passed away in 1964. Then Pedro Arrupe

came to power. Then, after Arrupe died, in 1988, I believe, the present Jesuit
General is Count Hans Kolvenbach. [See photo nearby.] I call him Count Hans
Kolvenhoof.

Martin: Let’s discuss this position of "General" and, in addition, who is this

person, Count Hans Kolvenbach? Who does he serve? What are his origins? Where
does he hail from?

Phelps: The present General is a Dutchman, his nationality is Dutch.

Martin: Where is he? Physically, where is he?

Phelps: He resides in Rome, at the headquarters of the Jesuits, called the Church
of Jesu. So, the Jesuit General resides in Rome at, what I just called, the Jesuit
headquarters.

Martin: The Church of Jesu, is that near the Vatican?

Phelps: It’s not far from the Vatican, right. It’s in the same general area. It’s
headquarters of the Knights of Malta.

Martin: Is it part of Vatican City, proper?

Phelps: Right, I believe, yes it is.

Martin: Where does Satan fit into this picture, and what is the ultimate goal of the
Jesuits, the so-called Society of Jesus?

Phelps: The Jesuit General, and the other high Jesuit Generals, they are sorcerers.
They are Luciferians, and they worship what they would call Lucifer. They do not
believe in Satan. They believe in Lucifer.

Now, according to Alberto Rivera, he was invited—because he was a top Jesuit at

the time in the late ’60s—he was invited to a "Black Mass" in Spain where there
were quite a few top Jesuit Generals present. And he called it a "Black Mass".
Well, when you’re involved in a "Black Mass", you’re involved in the worship of
Lucifer, all dressed in their black capes and so on.

Martin: I’m fascinated by Count Hans Kolvenbach because nobody in the world

knows who this person is. I’ve never heard the name.

Phelps: Let me just tell you that you can see his picture and his top Jesuits—just a
second and I’ll get the book. The name of the book is called Jesuits: A Multi-
Biography, by Jean Lacoutre, and that is available, usually, in the bookstores. It
was published in 1995.

Jean Lacoutre is a Frenchman. He was a communist, is a communist. On the last

page of the pictures in it, that is right adjacent to page 343, you see Peter Hans
Kolvenbach. He’s the Jesuit General, and he looks like just a very evil individual.
There’s a Black man, who’s a high Jesuit, he’s a 29 Superior Jesuit with his
cosmopolitan General staff. One of the General staff looks like Ben Kingsley
of Shindler’s List. There are six White men, and one Black man. And that’s his
General staff.

Martin: What is the process of choosing a successor General?

Phelps: The High Jesuits elect him, and he’s elected for life—unless he becomes a
"heretic".

Martin: And the so-called "High Jesuits" represent what group?

Phelps: I would say that they’re the "professed", the high 4th Degree. When a
Jesuit is professed, he is under the Jesuit Oath; he is under the "Bloody Oath" that I
have in my book.
Martin: Do we have permission to reprint that Oath in our paper?

Phelps: Of course, absolutely.

Martin: One of my questions has to do with the Oath and it’s similarity to

the Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion, and I wrote that question before I
got back to the Protocols portion of your book.

Phelps: The Jesuits obviously wrote the Protocols because they have carried out

every protocol in that little handbook. They have carried everything out. And,
Alberto Rivera says—and he was a Jesuit—he was greatly maligned, not helped at
all by the Apostate, Protestants, and Baptists in this country; he was helped,
somewhat, by Jack Chick. Jack Chick published his story in six volumes,
titled Alberto I, II, III, IV, V, & VI.

Alberto Rivera says that it was Jews aligned with the Pope who published
the Protocols. Well, I tend to feel that it was just the Jesuits themselves because
they, and they alone, were the ones who were able to bring this to pass.

They’re the ones in the government. They’re the ones behind professional sports.
The owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers is a Knight of Malta. The owner of the Detroit
Lions is a Knight of Malta. All your top owners of these ball clubs, for the most
part, are Knights of Malta, getting the people whooped up in this hoopla over
games and sports, while they’re busy creating a tyranny. So, that was one of the
things in the Protocols—that they would create "amusements".

Another one they used was Walt Disney, 33rd-degree Freemason—Disneyworld,

Disneyland. Another one was Milton Hersey, with Hersey Park. They create all of
these amusements and games and pastimes to get the people drunk with pleasure,
while they’re busy overthrowing the Protestant form of government.

Martin: Where does Las Vegas factor into all of this?

Phelps: Las Vegas, well, for the most part, is controlled by the Mafia. But all the
high Mafia families are Roman Catholic, and they are ALL subordinate to the Pope
or to the Cardinal of New York, which is Cardinal O’Connor—because the
Commission, the Mafia Commission resides in New York.

Frank Costello was a member of the Mob Commission, and he was intimate,
personal friends with Knight of Malta, Hollywood mogul, Joe Kennedy. And that
has not changed.

So, the High Knights are good, dear brothers with the High Mafia Dons—the
Gambinos, the Lucchese, the Columbos, all of them. And they control Hollywood,
not the Jews. It’s only Jews who are front-men who are involved in Hollywood and
working for the Mafia and for the Cardinal, just like in politics it would be Arlen
Spector. Arlen Spector was Spelly’s [Cardinal Spellman’s] Jew in the
assassination [of President Kennedy], and he would never say a word about it.

Martin: Now, as we go through here, if there’s anything that you don’t want me to

print, please let me know because, literally, I’m going to print everything we say in
this conversation.

Phelps: That’s fine, that’s fine with me because it needs to be said.

Martin: Let’s get back to Count Hans Kolvenbach. I want to shine the spotlight on
this guy for just a little bit here. Let’s talk about him. What does he do? Who is he?
Let’s talk about his position as "General". How do they exercise this control over
the Pope? Does the Pope know he’s a pawn?

Phelps: Ok, one question at a time. So, which question do you want me to deal
with?

Martin: Let’s just shine the light right on the Count.

Phelps: The Jesuit General, ok.

Martin: Let’s start there, and you tell me everything you want to tell me about that
position.

Phelps: The Jesuit General is the absolute, complete, and total dictator and
autocrat of the Order. When he speaks, his provincials move. The provincials are
his major subordinates. There are around 83 provincials right now.

As I understand it, the Jesuit Order has divided the world into 83 regions. Ok? For
each region, there is a Jesuit provincial. There are 10 provincials in the United
States. There is one for Central America. There is one for Ireland. They’ve divided
up the world into these provinces.

So it’s old Babylonian provincial government, centered in Nebuchadnezzar or the

Jesuit General himself; so it’s strictly a Roman form of government where all the
states or provinces are subordinate to this worldwide sovereign.

The Jesuit General exercises full and complete power over the Order. He meets
with his provincials. When they decide to start a war or an agitation, he gets the
information from the provincial of that country, how best to go about this, the
demeanor of the people, and then he uses legitimate grievances to foam an
agitation—like the 1964 Civil Rights Movement. That was ALL a Jesuit agitation,
completely, because the end result was more consolidation of power in
Washington with the 1964 Civil Rights Act that was written by [the longtime
President of the University of Notre Dame, the Reverend] Theodore Hesburgh.

The Jesuit General rules the world through his provincials. And the provincials
then, of course, rule the lower Jesuits, and there are many Jesuits who are not
"professed", so many of the lower Jesuits have no idea what’s going on at the top.
They have no concept of the power of their Order.

It’s just like Freemasonry. The lower  have no idea that the High Shriner
Freemasons are working for the Jesuit General. They think that they’re just doing
works and being good people. But the bottom line is that the high-level
Freemasons are subject, also, to the Jesuit General because the Jesuit General, with
Fredrick the Great, wrote the High Degrees, the last 8 Degrees, of the Scottish Rite
Freemasonry when Fredrick protected them when they were suppressed by the
Pope in 1773.

So, you have the alignment with the Jesuit Order and the most powerful Freemason
they had in the craft, Fredrick the Great, during their suppression. That is an
irrefutable conclusion. And then, when you see the Napoleonic Wars, the French
Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars carried out by Freemasonry, everything
Napoleon did, and the Jacobins, whatever they did, completely benefited the Jesuit
Order.

It’s to this end that Alexander Dumas wrote his The Count Of Monte Cristo. The
Count is the Jesuit General. Monte=Mount, Cristo=Christ. The Count of the Mount
of Christ. Alexander Dumas was talking about the Jesuit General getting
vengeance when the Jesuits were suppressed, and many of them were consigned to
an island, three hours sailing, West, off the coast of Portugal. And so, when the
Jesuits finally regained their power, they punished all of the monarchs of Europe
who had suppressed them, drove them from their thrones, including the Knights of
Malta from Malta, using Napoleon.

And Alexander Dumas, who fought for the Italian patriots in 1848, to free Rome
from the temporal power of the Pope, wrote many books and one of the books was
to expose this, and that was The Count Of Monte Cristo.

So, when you read that book, bear in mind that it’s really a satire on the Jesuit
Order regaining their power in France. The Count of Monte Cristo has an
intelligence apparatus that can’t be beat. Well, that’s the Jesuit Order.

But the Count doesn’t get what he really ought to have, or his last wish, and that’s
the love of woman. He gains back all of his political power; he gains back
everything he lost; but he doesn’t have the love of a woman. And THAT is the
Jesuit Order. They have no women. They have no love of a woman. Because to
have a wife, to have a woman, means you have an allegiance to your wife and
family, and you cannot obey the General. That’s why they will NEVER be
married, and that’s one of the great KEYS to their success.

They can betray a nation and walk away. They can betray all the Irish Catholics
getting on the Titanic, and walk away. They can betray us in Vietnam and walk
away. They can betray us every time we go to the hospital and get radiated and cut
and drugged, and walk away, because it’s "for the greater glory of God"—Ad
Majorem Dei Gloriam: the greater glory of the god who sits in Rome.

Martin: What is the ULTIMATE goal of the Jesuits?

Phelps: Their ultimate goal is the rule of the world, with the Pope of their making,
from Solomon’s rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem. That’s their ultimate goal.

Martin: And why is Solomon’s Temple rebuilt so important?

Phelps: Because the Jesuits have always wanted that. When Ignatius Loyola first
started the Order, one of the first things he did was, he wanted to go to Jerusalem
and set up the Jesuit headquarters there. So, he went there, he tried to do it and
failed, came back, went to school, started his Latin studies, etc. Maybe it might be
a good idea to just review a little bit about Ignatius Loyola.

Martin: Yes.

Phelps: Ok, Ignatius Loyola was a Spanish soldier, and he was wounded at a battle
between the French and the Spanish, and his leg was shattered. Well, the French
General, because Loyola was very brave in conflict, ordered his own doctors to
attend Loyola. So they set the leg and sent him back to his home—which, of
course, he was royalty to the Counsel of Loyola in Spain, in the area of the
Basques.

Loyola, through his series of desiring to regain his leg—it had healed improperly,
so he made a rack where he would stretch the leg, with severe, horrible, awful pain
—and trying to stretch this leg to get it back to normal shape, he endured awful,
terrible pain. He had it rebroken, again, a couple of times and it still did not heal
properly, so he had a perpetual limp. He could no longer be the courtier among
women, and as a result, he went into this depression, and he then had this vision of
the saints, etc., etc., and he wrote his spiritual exercises.

I will stop at the spiritual exercises, just for a minute, but I’ll take up from there.
Loyola then wanted to form an army, but when this happened with his spiritual
exercises, those spiritual exercises would be basic training for all of his Jesuits.
That’s what they will ALL go through. That’s what every Jesuit goes through
today.
One of the maxims of the spiritual exercises is that if my superior says "black is
white and white is black", then that’s the way it is. That is in his spiritual exercises.
That is what is quoted in JFK, when Kevin Costner is telling his people: "Hey,
people, we’ve got to start thinking like the CIA. Black is white and white is black."
That was a Jesuit giveaway that the Jesuits produced that movie, because they’re
quoting Ignatius Loyola in that movie from his spiritual exercises.

So, Loyola had an indomitable will. He had a will of steel, and he set his mind to
regain back what the Papacy had lost to the Reformation. And so, he went to the
Pope, and the Pope in 1540 then created the Jesuit Order. But this man is a soldier,
he’s a lawyer, and he put together a legion of soldiers and warriors to get back
what Rome had lost, as well as institute a World Government for the Pope, from
Jerusalem. This was in 1540.

He started the Order in 1536. He was arrested by the Inquisition, and he was
released, and he went to the Pope; he threw himself at the feet of the Pope. He
would be completely at his service. The Pope chartered him, and that Pope was
Pius III. The Pope chartered them, created the Jesuit Order; now he has Papal
protection, and they began their awful history of deeds of blood. And war after war
after war after war, they’re all attributed to the Jesuit Order in some way. Catholic
nobles, with lots of money, donated castles and schools and money to the Jesuit
Order.

Virtually everything they own has been given to them or stolen by them. Of
course, they stole all of the fortunes of the Jews in World War II. They stole all
their gold, all their assets and everything, whenever they went into a country.
What’s just been released is NOTHING compared to what they’ve taken.

In Edmond Paris’s book, printed by Ozark Publications, called The Vatican

Against Europe, it gets into great detail of what they did. It calls it—the last 30
years of war is all attributable to the Jesuits, their massacres of the Serbs and Jews,
etc. But Edmond Paris did not understand that the Jesuit General—and this is one
of the most important points I want to make about Von Kolvenbach—the Jesuit
General is in complete control of the international intelligence community: that’s
the CIA, the FBI, the KGB, the Israeli Mossad, the German BND, the British SIS.
The Jesuit General is in COMPLETE CONTROL of the entire intelligence
apparatus—FBI, every bureaucratic agency in this country, all of it; he is in
complete control of it.

So, whenever he wants to find something out about an individual, they put in the
Social Security number, and everything from all of the intelligence apparatus
kicks-in and he and his provincials can review everything about that man. Credit
cards, you name it, everything that’s attached to Rome’s social security number,
which FDR put upon us in 1933 with the help of Spellman; at the time, I believe he
was Archbishop, or maybe it was Cardinal Hayes—but Rome was behind FDR in
putting him in office.

The couple of things that he did was implement social insecurity, the income tax,
and recognizing Joseph Stalin’s bloody Jesuit USSR government. So, with the
giving of us the Social Security number, that is Rome’s number—that’s why I
refuse to use it—and that’s why they want everybody using it for everything:
driver’s license, tax return, credit card, everything you do, that number is you and
that number is Rome’s number.

Martin: Let me just back-up here for a minute. What comes to mind is Louis
Freeh, head of the FBI.

Phelps: Roman Catholic, good altar boy. Probably a Knight of Columbus; I can’t

prove it. But anybody with that kind of power has got to be a Knight of Columbus.

And the Knights of Columbus implement Jesuit politics. And Louis Freeh was the
one behind the Waco atrocity and the Oklahoma City bombing atrocity. And his
top sniper was a Japanese Roman Catholic named Lon Horiuchi.

So, it’s Roman Catholics in control, Knights in control of the FBI, who carried out
all of this killing. And those two men, Louis Freeh and Lon Horiuchi are
personally accountable to Cardinal O’Connor of New York. And Cardinal
O’Connor of New York is the most powerful Cardinal in the country. He is the
military vicar. And that’s why Bush kissed his fanny for going to Bob Jones,
because Cardinal O’Connor is the King of the American Empire. And he rules his
Empire from that Palace, St. Patrick’s Cathedral, "the little Vatican".

Martin: And is he in contact, do you think, with Kolvenbach?

Phelps: Of course. O’Connor himself is not a Jesuit, but the Jesuits are like the SS
of the Catholic Church. They maintain order.

And the ones closest to him who maintain order are the Jesuits of Fordham
University. Now, one of them—the head of Fordham University, I believe he is an
Irishman, is also a member of the CFR [Council on Foreign Relations]. And I have
that right here in the Annual Report of the CFR of 1993. Those Jesuits at Fordham
maintain semblance and rule over the Cardinal in New York. And, of course, the
powerful Jesuits of Fordham include Avery Dulles and John Foster Dulles, one of
the writers of the book on the Second Vatican Council.

Martin: Let’s back-up now, let’s go back. What’s the Council of Trent?

Phelps: The Council of Trent was the response of Rome to the Protestant

Reformation. Remember—the Protestant Reformation brought us all of the
political liberty that we know of today. There’s no such thing as national
sovereignty without the Reformation. There’s no such thing as private rights
without the Reformation. There’s no such thing as the Law of Nations, as we know
of it today, of Montesquieu and the others, without the Reformation.

So, when the Reformation came with their doctrines of salvation by grace through
faith alone, and that there was no need for the priesthood to go to Heaven—that all
we need is salvation in Christ, andRomans 1:17: the righteous shall live by faith.
When the Reformation came, it completely stripped Rome of its spiritual power.
The priests were no longer wanted because the people were getting the word of
God in a Bible, specifically in Holland, England, and Germany. And so, with these
great revivals breaking forth and the Reformation happening, nations were
breaking away from the power of the Pope. The Holy Roman Empire was breaking
up. Charles V, the Emperor, resigned and became a monk and a gardener. So, the
Lord was moving mightily in breaking the power of the Holy Roman Empire,
started by Charlemagne and the Pope.

Well, this was not good for Rome because they were losing lots of money. The
nations were not paying "Peter’s pence" anymore, which today we call "foreign
aid" in this country. And so the Pope was very upset about his.

What’s he going to do? These nations are breaking away from us; they’re not under
our temporal or spiritual power; and it’s very important to remember that the Pope
claims two powers—spiritual and temporal—and with the breaking of his spiritual
power, he then lost his temporal power. In other words, he no longer had the ability
to rule the people through the king of the country, because the king was breaking
away, like Henry VIII.

So, Henry VIII broke away from the Roman Church and formed the Church of
England; he no longer was subject to the Pope. This was happening in England, in
Germany, in Holland, and other places.

As a result of this, the Devil raised up Ignatius Loyola with his demonisms, his
"spiritual exercises" and—because Loyola had been a member of the Spanish
Alumbrados, which is what we call the Illuminati today, and he used the Jesuit
Order to attempt to regain back what had been taken by the Reformation—what the
Lord had done through Luther, Calvin, and Knox. And, by the way, Luther, Calvin,
and Knox—none of those men died violent deaths. They all lived to older age and
died peacefully, amidst the power of the Jesuit machinations.

The Council of Trent consists of 25 Sessions. Those 25 Sessions accurse and

condemn all the doctrines of the Reformation. It condemns anybody who does not
believe that the literal Jesus Christ is in the host [holy communion bread], and that
his literal blood is in the wine. That’s called transubstantiation. Anybody who does
not believe that is an accursed anathema. Anybody who believes that their
salvation is outside the Catholic Church is accursed anathema. Anybody who
believes in justification by grace through faith—anathema, accursed. Anybody
who believes that the Pope is not the vicar of Christ—accursed, anathema. You
see, all of these doctrines were being put forth as a result of reading
the Bible, which produced the Reformation, and so the Jesuits accursed everything
that the Reformers were preaching. This is all in Law called the Council of Trent.

In the 4th Session, which is probably the most important Session, the Jesuits
condemn freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and freedom of conscience. So,
no man has the right to choose his own religion; no man has the right to publish
what he feels is the truth; and no man has the right to freedom of conscience.

Those rights were secured by our Baptist/Calvinist forefathers in the First

Amendment. The man who wrote the First Amendment was James Madison, who
was a Baptist/Calvinist, and he was told by that Baptist/Calvinist in Virginia, Doc.
John Leland: "If you don’t secure all those rights, Virginia will not ratify
the Constitution." Virginia was a Baptist/Calvinist state.

So, we have a warfare between the Council of Trent and the doctrines of the
Reformation, particularly as outlined by John Calvin in his Institutes Of The
Christian Religion. Calvin [1536] wrote theInstitutes Of The Christian Religion,
he finished it when he was 27, and he dedicated it to the King of France. And
because the Jesuits so hated him, he was driven from France and he resided in
Geneva to the day of his death, when he became Governor of Geneva. It’s Calvin
and his Institutes Of The Christian Religion vs. Loyola and his Council of Trent, if
you want it sewed-up in two major documents.

Martin: Council of Trent was what year?

Phelps: From 1545-1563, eighteen years. And Trent is a little town in Italy. So, it
was a Council that took place in the town of Trent, Italy.

The Presbyterian Westminster Confession And Faith that was finished in 1648,

after the 30 Years War, is another extension of Calvin’s Institutes, and is what the
Church of Scotland and the Covenanterswent by when they resisted the powers of
Rome and England. That document is a major document, and it’s not the
new Westminster Confession, it’s the old one of 1648, where they called the Pope
the man of sin, that Roman Anti-Christ, and they also denounced anti-Christian
tyranny.

And that it is their duty, to use what they call "the sword of the spirit", which is the
Word of God, which we read in Ephesians, Chapter 6, and "the sword of just
defense"—the gun, the sword.
So, us Calvinists believe that there is a time for peace and a time for war, and we
do not refuse to go to the battlefield when it’s necessary. It was the Calvinists who
gave us our political liberty in England with Cromwell. He was a Calvinist and an
independent Baptist. It was Calvinists in Holland who gave the Dutch their
political liberty, with William of Orange, and later his son, Prince Maurice, and
then later, in our great country, when it was Washington, the Freemason who did
not go into that Masonic Lodge that last 30 years of his life—in his own words—
who was a Baptist and a Calvinist. He was baptized in the First Baptist Church of
New York by one of his captains, Pastor Gano, all surrounded by Calvinists.

That’s why they didn’t surrender at Valley Forge; that’s why, when they were
naked, when they went through the snow, barefoot, they endured that because they
were Bible-believing Calvinists and they refused to submit to the tyranny of King
George, who was controlled by the Jesuits.

And that is the soul of our country. If we lose that soul, we’ve lost everything. And
those very same Baptists, in the Second Amendment, secured their right to bear
arms, because they secured the right, the "sword of just defense". And the "sword
of the spirit" is contained in the First Amendment, the right to have the Bible never
taken from them. The two swords of Calvinism are secured in the First andSecond
Amendments. Without those first two Amendments, all the others are nothing.

Martin: Well, I got to my question #2. So, let’s go to #3 of the seventy. (laughter)

How does Shriner Freemason President Harry Truman’s signing into law of the

Emergency War Powers Act of 1950 factor into the Jesuit Agenda?

Phelps: First of all, Harry Truman, who the Japanese called "Dirty Harry"—when
they heard the movie Dirty Harry came out, they thought it was a movie about
Harry Truman, according to my Japanese pastor friend, Daniel Fuji, who has
passed away.

Harry Truman was put in office by the Jesuits, the Pensergast Democratic machine
in Missouri. Harry Truman takes over after FDR’s murder, because he was
murdered in the home of Bernard Baruch. When he did that, he then finished up
the war with the hoax called the dropping of the nuclear bombs, to purposely create
this greater hoax called the Cold War, that would enable the Vatican to knock over
country after country after country, and replace the leaders with dictators,
subordinate to the Pope. That was the purpose of the Cold War.

And so, when Harry Truman in 1950 signed into law the Emergency War Powers
Act, the Cold War was in full force. They were building bomb shelters, etc. So the
nation was in kind of a frenzy.
When he signed this into law, it put the whole country under military or martial
law, and that’s when the flags in every courtroom, state and federal, began to be
changed. And every state flag and every U.S. flag is now trimmed in gold fringe.
And whenever you see a flag trimmed in gold fringe, that means that it is the flag
of the Commander-in-Chief. Now, if it’s the state flag, it means that’s the flag of
the governor, as Commander-in-Chief. And if it’s the federal flag, or the national
flag, more correctly, it’s the flag of the Commander-in-Chief in Washington.

So, all your courts are nothing more than courts of military rule. They all proceed
with summary procedures. The jury has no power of jury nullification. And they
are simply enforcing the laws of the Empire, which I call 14th
Amendment America, which is a military-style, King of England-style country. The
courts are nothing more than courts of the king’s bench, as you can see
in Blackstone’s Commentaries.

And the banks, as you walk into every bank, they all have a flag trimmed in gold
fringe. The bank is what England would call, in Blackstone’s day, the king’s bank.
So, we have the king’s bank, and we have the king’s bench. And it’s run according
to military rule, according to Berkheimer’s great work Military Rule And Martial
Law, published in 1914.

When Harry Truman did this, there was a consummation of a great plan to put us
under the Emergency War Powers Act and, actually, a war rule. "Daylight savings
time" is what was called "war time". This country only went to daylight savings
time during World War II, and they called it, at that time, war time. So, nothing’s
changed. We’ve never gone back to not turning back our clocks. We’re still on war
time. The income tax is a war tax. It was called a victory tax in 1942.

So, people are paying a war tax, they’re under war time, they’re under an
emergency war powers act, and the courts are war courts.

Martin: Regarding the assassination of President John Kennedy, which could take

this entire interview, you say that the assassination was ordered by the Jesuit
General, executed by Pope Paul VI, and carried out by the "American Pope",
Francis Cardinal Spellman—who, in turn, used the Knights of Malta, Shriner
Freemasons, Knights of Columbus, and Mafia Dons, including the FBI and CIA, to
carry out the order from Rome. Would you explain why you believe your
particular theory on the assassination to be an accurate representation of the facts?

Phelps: Sure. Alright, number one: The powers that be are properly outlined [in
his book], and proven through two centuries of showing how it’s all been put
together. Now, as to why, I will be conservative and stick with Fletcher Prouty’s
reasons, that he outlined in his JFK and also his other book called The Secret
Team.
The reason why Kennedy was assassinated was he wanted to end the Vietnam
War, and he wanted to end the rule of the CIA. That begets two questions: Did
Rome want the Vietnam War? And, did Rome control the CIA? The answer is yes
on both counts.

We know, on its face, that the Vietnam War was called "Spelly’s War"—Cardinal
Spellman’s war. He went over to the warfront many times and he called the
American soldiers the "soldiers of Christ". The man who was the Commander of
the American forces was a Roman Catholic, CFR member, possibly a Knight of
Columbus, I don’t know, but he was General William Westmoreland.

So, Westmoreland was Cardinal Spellman’s agent to make sure that war was
prosecuted properly. And another overseer of Westmoreland was Cardinal
Spellman’s boy, Lyndon Baines Johnson. Lyndon Baines Johnson was a 33rd-
degree Freemason. He was also part of the assassination, with J. Edgar Hoover,
another 33rd-degree Freemason.

And Johnson went to Cardinal Spellman’s death at St. Patrick’s Cathedral, and the
picture can be seen in Cooney’s work The American Pope. So, Johnson was
completely at the beck and call of Cardinal Spellman through Cartha DeLoach, the
3rd-in-control of the FBI. According to Curt Gentry, in his Hoover: The Man And
The Secrets, DeLoach had a phone at his bedside direct to Johnson, and Johnson
could call him anytime. DeLoach was a Knight of Malta, subject to Spellman.

Spellman wanted the Vietnam War, why? Spellman was controlled by the Jesuits
of Fordham. Why did the Jesuit General want the Vietnam War? The people of
Vietnam, the Buddhists, were unconvertible. They would not convert to
Catholicism. They didn’t need Rome.

There had been a Jesuit presence in Vietnam for centuries, so it had been decided
that about a million or so Buddhists would have to be "purged". They would later
continue this purge of Cambodia, with Pol Pot, and the purge is yet for Thailand. It
was a purging of Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam of all these Buddhists, just like
they purged the Buddhists of China with Mao Zedong, because Mao Zedong was
completely controlled by the Jesuits. So, they wanted the Vietnam War.

The other thing is that Rome is in control of the drug trade. The Vatican controls
all of the drug trade—all of the heroin, all of the opium, all of the cocaine,
everything going around in Columbia.

Columbia has a concordat with the Pope. A concordat is a treaty with the Pope.
Hitler had a concordat. Mussolini had a concordat. Franco had a concordat. They
want to set up a concordat here, which was the reason for Reagan formally
recognizing the sovereign state of Vatican City in 1984. The greatest traitor we
ever had was Ronald Reagan.
So, they had a concordat. Columbia has a concordat. Do you think that drugs
running out of Columbia, with a country that has a concordat with Rome, is not
controlled by Rome? If Rome didn’t want the drug trade out of Columbia, they’d
end the concordat. The whole drug trade is run by high Mafia families out of the
country of Columbia, subject to the Jesuit General.

And the Jesuit General ran the Opium trade, a couple of centuries ago, out of
China. They ran the silk trade, the pearl trade. The movie Shogun is but a slight
scratching of the surface of the Jesuit "black ships" that trafficked in all of this silk
and pearls and gold and opals and everything they could pull out of the East,
including opium.

The Vietnam War was to consolidate and control this huge massive drug-trade that
would inundate every American city with drugs, being brought in by the CIA with
their Air America, and then distributed by the Trafficante family throughout the
United States—Santos Trafficante out of Miami.

So we have the Mafia and the CIA working together in the drug trade. We have the
Mafia and the CIA working together in the assassination of Kennedy.

The first reason why the Jesuit General [at that time, Jean-Baptist Janssens]
wanted Kennedy out of the way was because he was going to end the Vietnam
War.

The second reason is, he wanted to end the reign of the CIA, because the CIA had
betrayed him in the person of McGeorge Bundy, by not giving the cover to the
Cuban patriots to retake Cuba from that Roman Catholic, Jesuit-trained, grease-
ball bastard—he was a bastard, his father was a Nazi—Fidel Castro.

Kennedy was betrayed by the CIA at the Bay of Pigs invasion, which sacrificed all
the patriots on the shores of the Bay of Pigs there, so Castro had no real opposition.
This was the same tactic, used by the CIA and the KGB at the top, working
together with Angleton controlling it, in the Hungarian Revolution, when the CIA
fomented that revolution, and then betrayed all of those patriots into the hands of
the Soviet army and KGB, which infuriated certain top CIA officials.

It’s the same tactic: you raise up a revolution and you sacrifice the men who truly
want to resist. When that happened, when McGeorge Bundy stopped the air cover
of the Bay of Pigs invasion, that ended that resistance to Castro and it enthroned
him into power. And, of course, it was meant to be by the Jesuits because they
HAD trained him. So now Kennedy looks bad. He’s got egg all over his face. What
does he want to do? He signs a Memorandum, according to Fletcher Prouty, and
takes all of the power away from the CIA, and gives it to the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
The CIA was built by the Knights of Malta. One of the founders of the CIA was
"Wild" Bill Donovan, an Irish Roman Catholic, who are the most fanatical, and his
brother was a Dominican priest, Vincent. So, the CIA was founded by this high
Roman Catholic, the first head, to solidify the Catholic or the Vatican control of it.

I’m not against the Catholic people; I’m against Rome’s hierarchy. The American
Catholic people know NOTHING of what’s going on. And if they did, there would
be a march on St. Patrick’s tomorrow morning. So, as I’m against the hierarchy,
I’m showing that Kennedy was against the Vietnam War, and he was going to do
away with the CIA.

Well, the Jesuits had brought in all of their top Nazi SS soldiers into the CIA
because the Jesuits were using the SS to kill the Jews in Europe. When the
Einsatzgruppen went into Russia, the Jesuits followed with the SS and purged
Western Russia of all its Jews. That’s why Stalin deliberately killed 40,000 of his
best officers. That’s why he kicked out his best generals, purged them, because he
wanted to make sure that the Red Army would lose with the advance of the
German army, because following that would come the SS and purge Russia of the
Jews that Stalin so hated. And by the way, justice is often poetic because Stalin’s
daughter married a Jew.

Now, the CIA was composed of the SS. The CIA now was an arm—and the
intelligence arm—of the Vatican. The Knights of Malta were throughout. Casey
was a Knight of Malta. Angleton was a Knight of Malta. The Knights were through
and through. Angleton manned the "Vatican desk", and that is a desk within the
CIA that has a direct link to the Vatican.

So, Kennedy wanted to end this "intelligence community". That was the end of
him.

Thus for anyone attempting to end the CIA, and attempting to end the Vietnam
War, and also because he attacked the Jesuits’ Federal Reserve Bank by printing
United States Notes, they got rid of him. They killed our only Roman Catholic
president.

And it’s another piece of poetic justice that a Roman Catholic—not Protestants,
like Harry Truman, FDR, and others—it’s a Roman Catholic who truly sought to
resist the temporal power of the Pope in this country. And in many ways, even
though Kennedy was, in fact, a socialist and communist, at least he resisted the
temporal power of the Pope. And for that we should be thankful and remember his
name.

But what have they done to his name? They’ve slammed it. They drag it into the
dirt. Every time you see it on TV, they parade before you his womanizing, which I
don’t deny, but my goodness, can’t we give him some credit where credit is due?
That’s why they got rid of John F. Kennedy.

And then, of course, as soon as he’s assassinated, John McCone, the head of the
CIA, the following day goes to the White House and they reverse Kennedy’s
Memorandum of reversing the Vietnam War and make a full-scale, carte blache
war.

The CIA then is tremendously and heavily funded, because it was a CIA war. And
there they tried all of their new technology, their anti-gravity machines, their men
who they’re trying to make like the "million-dollar man". They tried out all their
new technology in Vietnam. It was a great experimental theater, and Kennedy
knew this. He knew it, and he knew that the American people had no idea what
was going down, and he still tried to resist it, against his father’s warnings.
Because his father was the most powerful Knight of Malta in the Empire.

Martin: Any theories on why they took out junior?

Phelps: Yes. According to Tom Kuncle, in his publication, John F. Kennedy, Jr.

wanted to find his father’s real killers, and he had the power to publish the
conclusion. So, they took him out right away. They would not allow that to
happen.

Martin: Why haven’t you been taken out?

Phelps: Because I am immortal—until the Lord is done with me. I am a Calvinist

and a Baptist, and we believe in the sovereignty of God. And as long as we are
operating in His Will, they cannot touch us, regardless of their power.

Martin: Which is why we’re having this conversation.

Phelps: Which is why we’re having the conversation. Don’t think for one moment
they’re not tapping this phone. They know this. The issue is here. We’re talking
about a providential, sovereign God who wishes to move, using second causes,
men, just as the Devil does.

The Devil always uses second causes, men. So, it’s one group of men vs. another
group of men, and one path leads to evil, and the true, almighty God leads to
goodness.

The problem is, with us, there are very few men who want to believe God
anymore. Nobody believes He can deliver anymore. It’s just a handful of us who
say: "Well, we’re going to do His Will; we’re going to trust Him in His Power."
And like the Hebrews getting ready to be thrown into the fiery furnace of
Nebuchadnezzar, our God is able to deliver us. We’re going to tell the truth!

Martin: Let’s see here. I can throw away a lot of these questions. So much of it
seems, in a way, irrelevant to our current times because there’s so much going on
now. But, good grief! I was just stunned to read in your book of all the historical
things that have happened as a result of these evil people. You dedicated the book
to four Roman Catholics who, I’m sure, no one has ever heard of: Charles
Chiniquy, Jeremiah Crowley, Emmett McLaughlin, and Alberto Rivera. Why
them?

Phelps: Because those Roman Catholic men were priests; they left the priesthood
and told the truth about what was really happening. And all four of them, except
one, I think Emmett McLaughlin, paid with their life. Chiniquy was the great
exposer of the Jesuit assassination of President Lincoln, when he wrote his
masterpiece Fifty Years In The Church Of Rome in 1886. He proves that Lincoln
was assassinated by the Jesuits, and that it was covered-up by our government at
the time.

Jeremiah Crowley: that priest was a great Irishman who came here and, seeing the
corruption of the Archdiocese in Chicago, that it was so corrupt, he left it and
exposed it. And, of course, he later came to Christ and became a Bible-believer,
which they would call a Protestant. Protestants today don’t believe the Bible.
Protestantism of today is an empty shell, it’s nothing. But, back then, in 1912, they
believed the Bible.

Crowley, then, exposed many things, and one of the things he exposed, that helped
me with this, was that he warned that the Jesuits, with their Knights of Columbus
—which, he says, the Knights of Columbus, named after Columbus, who he tells
us was a Spanish Jew and a pirate and a deflowerer of young girls—that Columbus
was no Christian.

He has a tremendous section in his book on Columbus. That the purpose of the
Knights of Columbus was to fulfill Jesuitical politics, and part of those politics was
to restore the temporal power of the Pope because, you remember, the Pope had
lost that in 1870 and they wanted to get it back. And they got it back with
Mussolini in 1929.

Well, in the book that Crowley wrote in 1912, he says that Taft and Teddy
Roosevelt were all cow-towing to the Pope and the Cardinals of New York. And he
said they’re going to use our military to restore the Pope’s temporal power around
the world.

And THAT was absolutely correct. That is American foreign policy. And the
Council of Trent is the American foreign policy of today. That’s what’s going on
in Serbia and Bosnia. It’s the Council of Trent—the Jesuits using the American Air
Force to bomb those orthodox people to smithereens. But, that was Crowley’s
great contribution.

Next, Emmett McLaughlin wrote several books. He wrote The People’s Padre; he

wrote Crime And Immorality In The Catholic Church, showing that Catholic
nations are more lawless and more criminal than Protestant nations, and he proved
it with statistics from the jails.

Emmett McLaughlin also wrote another book called The Assassination Of

Abraham Lincoln, where he, again, shows that Lincoln was assassinated by the
Jesuits. So, Emmett McLaughlin came out of the Catholic Church. To my
knowledge, he never was born again. He never was saved, but he did tell the truth.
He married a nun, and lived a virtuous and honorable life after he left.

The last one was, of course, Alberto Rivera, who was greatly hated by the Vatican
because he was a very high Jesuit who came out and, in the late ’60s, about 1969,
exposed the power of Rome in the ecumenical movement, that Rome controlled
Kathryn Kuhlman; that Rome controlled Billy Graham; that Rome controlled,
virtually, our government—Ronald Reagan.

Reagan, when he took the Oath of Office, faced the obelisk, indicating that this
country will ultimately have a concordat. So, Alberto Rivera converted to Christ,
wonderfully, and he started a ministry called The Anti-Christ Information Center,
out of Los Angeles.

They tried to kill him five times. A dentist jammed a needle up between his teeth,
trying to give him an infection in the brain. When he passed out, about a year or so
later, they couldn’t figure it out. Everybody was praying for him. And this was
discovered when he went to another dentist. He had it removed.

He was pushed in front of a subway train. They tried five times to kill the man, and
finally he died, I believe, of cancer, in a hospital, about three years ago. But these
four wonderful, great, Catholic priests did their best to expose the power of Rome
and its attempts to destroy our sovereign, Protestant, Bible-believing nation. And
so, to them, I dedicate it.

Martin: What compelled you to write this book? What started it for you?

Phelps: I was always taught to be a patriot, a patriot first and foremost—America

first, and everybody else second. Later, when I came to know the Lord, at 17, I
realized the Bible taught the same thing—that the Lord had instituted nations. The
Lord never instituted world governments; that’s always the result of the Devil’s
working.
So, being a patriot and a nationalist—believing in national sovereignty—I was
saved at 17, went into the Air Force, was garrisoned in a nuclear weapons area for
three years in Germany, came back and started to go to Bible college.

When I went to Bible college, the issue of the King James came up, as far as it

being an archaic version. And that’s what I used and I had never given it a thought.
Well, some were using NIV, some NASB, and I thought: "Well, maybe it’s just a
modern version of what I have here." And I thought: "Well, if they want to use
that, that’s fine, but I’ll use the King James."

I found that the underlying Greek text for the King James, the Textus
Receptus, was the Greek text of the Reformation. It represents 95% of the existing
manuscripts that we have today. The Greek text that underlies all these other
versions—there’s a Westcott and Hort Greek text, which I then discovered was
really a conspiracy to adulterate the Textus Receptus in England, led by Brooke
Foss Westcott and Anthony Hort, who were Maryolitors, Mary-worshippers.

Later, I found out that they had invited Cardinal Newman to sit in on the revision
committee. Well, Cardinal Newman was a traitor to the Anglican Church, with his
Track 90, which blew-off the AnglicanChurch. He then left England and he was
then a Cardinal by Pius IX.

So, here we have Cardinal Newman, and E. B. Pusey, had been invited to sit on
this revision committee, the end result being a Greek text that had been produced
that was pro-Jerome’s Latin Vulgate.Jerome’s Latin Vulgate is the basis for the
Jesuit’s Reheims-Douay text, that was put out in 1582, that was attempting to rival
William Tyndale’s English text, which later became the King James Version of
1611.

So now I see this awful Jesuit hand in my Bible college, attempting to deprive me

of the Word of God, the authorized version of 1611, in it’s present edition of 1769.
Now I thought "Well, here the Jesuits are, what else have they done?" And the next
thing I was led to was the Lincoln assassination. And I can remember reading
Burke McCarty’s The Suppressed Truth About The Assassination Of Abraham
Lincoln, and weeping in the back room, when I was in college.

Martin: For me, one of the most compelling portions of your book was the series
of revelations about Lincoln. I was stunned by that.

Phelps: That’s what they did. Remember, Lincoln was not going to go along with
the 14th Amendment. He wanted those Southern states to re-enter the Union on the
same footing that they had left, which would have left us with a federal Republic
as Washington had established it. This the Jesuits would not allow. It would be
converted into an Empire. The states would be subordinate provinces to
Washington. And the 14th Amendment would accomplish this with the reversion of
citizenship. And Lincoln was re-elected, and he was ready to end this, and that’s
why they killed him. Kennedy was ready to implement his things; they would not
let him be re-elected.

Martin: This is a total aside. Have you ever come across The Jefferson Bible?

Phelps: The Jefferson Bible—and maybe you know this—is Matthew, Mark, and
Luke. And Thomas Jefferson, being the Deist, being the pagan that he was, cut out
all the supernatural from those three gospels. Jefferson was a Deist; he was
involved with the French Freemasons who were involved in the French
Revolution, and he was not here at the writing of our Protestant Constitution. So,
the Lord put him out of the picture. Jefferson was just used to help with the
Revolution—because the Lord does use the unGodly for good things. But Jefferson
copied much of the Declaration Of Independence from theMechlenburg
Declaration, written by Calvinistic Presbyterians of North Carolina, when they
seceded, when that county of Mechlenburg seceded from the Colonies.

Martin: Never heard of it.

Phelps: Yes, you’ll find it in Presbyterian writings. You can find it from D. James
Kennedy; he has a thing on it. And Jefferson copied, at the end: "...and to this end
we devote our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor."

That was copied directly from the Mechlenburg Declaration. Jefferson was a

plagiarist; he was a high Freemason; and he was out of here at the time of the
writing of our Constitution. And the reason why the people of Virginia did elect
him to office was because he was a State’s Rights man. He wanted limited powers
in Washington, and that was a good thing. And when Jefferson was elected, he
undid everything the king-president John Adams did, with his Alien & Sedition
Laws, because John Adams wanted to be a king, and Jefferson undid it, and
Jefferson got two terms for that.

Martin: I’m looking at some things that are a little further back now. The Secreta
Monita. What’s the significance of that?

Phelps: The Secret Instructions [excerpts at the end of this interview] are the
handbooks that are given to the professed Jesuits, those under extreme oath. [The
oath is presented in full at the end of this interview.] And it tells them how to
conduct their plans, subjugating peoples and nations to the Jesuit General, and
thus, to the temporal power of the Pope. It tells how they are to deceive. It shows
how they are to swindle rich widows out of their fortunes, like they did with
Astor’s second wife who survived the Titanic catastrophe. It shows their general
approach on how to do things.
This particular book cannot be known, and if it’s ever published, they will deny it’s
existence. But when you see the works that the Jesuits have done, it’s in complete
agreement with the Secreta Monita.

There is a very interesting section in Edwin R. Sherwin’s book The Engineer Core

Of Hell, written in 1886 I believe—another suppressed work. It’s usually in the
archives of all the older libraries back here. And he shows how this Secreta
Monita was discovered in South America by a Mason, and the Mason managed to
escape to a lodge after being shot. He turned the Secreta Monita over to the lodge,
and then these certain Freemasons saw the Secreta Monita. There are certain low-
level Freemasons who believe that the Jesuit Order is their enemy, so that’s why it
was taken to the lodge and then published. But the high-level Masons, of course,
work with them. The Secreta Monita was discovered once that way. It was
published in Holland. Then, in 1857, reprinted by England.

Martin: Pascal’s Provincial Letters had a devastating impact on exposing the

Jesuits. Why?

Phelps: Blaise Pascal was a Huguenot, a French Calvinist. So here we have

another fearless man. He doesn’t fear death; he’s going to tell the truth. So Blaise
Pascal wrote a series of letters that were written to and from provincials, and he
wrote them in a satirical manner, that of course excited that wonderful French
mind. The French, of course, came to the conclusion that this was absolutely the
truth, and then they moved to suppress the Jesuits again. But his Provincial
Letters are considered a classic. Blaise Pascal also wrote some other great works,
too.

Martin: Pope Ganganelli-Clement XIV abolished the Order entirely in 1773, and

was murdered as a result.

Phelps: Correct; he was poisoned.

Martin: The Order was similarly abolished 39 times from different kingdoms

throughout Europe. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that something was
terribly wrong with this group!

Phelps: Right. Are all those people bigots? Are all those people brainwashed
bigots and fanatical Protestants who abolished the Jesuit Order?

You find the greatest resistance to the Jesuits in Catholic countries, by Catholic
monarchs. And that’s why the Roman Catholic monarchs and nobility of today
don’t dare resist them. The Kennedys won’t touch them. The monarchs of Europe
won’t touch them. The Hapsburgs won’t touch them, because the Jesuits have
vindicated their power in the French Revolution and the Napoleonic Wars—well,
then they went to suppress the Jesuits again in Europe and they were, for the most
part, kicked-out of Europe in the 1800s. All the nations of Europe banned them.
Germany banned them in 1872. And so, World War I and II, the second Thirty
Years War, was pay-back for this. And ever since then, nobody touches them.

Pope Ganganelli abolished the Jesuits with a Papal Bull; the Jesuits call it a "brief".
It is not a brief; it is in the Library of the Bulls, and it is called Dominic Ac
Redemptor Nostor. That is the name of a bull. And when he abolished them, he
abolished them forever—that they were not to talk about their abolition, that they
were not to teach. He confiscated all of their wealth and land and property. For the
most part, the Dominicans took it over, which is why the Dominicans had their
penis cut off during the French Revolution. That’s what the Jacobins did to them. It
was payback by the Jesuits: "You don’t dare take our property from us, boy. And
you don’t dare take Inquisition from us." Jacobins killed nearly every Dominican
in France.

Martin: Why was the assassination of William of Orange so significant?

Phelps: Williams of Orange was the father of religious liberty. William of Orange

is the man who gave the Jews the freedom to come to Amsterdam. And the Jews
called Amsterdam, "the new Jerusalem". William of Orange was a Catholic to
begin with. Remember when he was in the forest, hunting with the king of France,
and the king of France lay bare to him their plans to destroy all the Protestants in
Holland, William kept silent. And that’s why he was called "William the taciturn"
or "William the silent".

So, he harbored all of this in his heart, and he went back to Holland determined
that he would deliver the Calvinists and the Protestants from this annihilation.
William went to Germany with his German wife, and he, according to Motley in
his The Dutch Republic, raised an army of Germans and they did not succeed in
liberating Holland. And so, it was the Dutch themselves who joined William of
Orange in an attempt to liberate the country, which they ultimately did as the "wild
beggars of the sea".

So, William was a great inspiration. He delivered flight from the seige of the
fanatical Roman Catholic Spanish, lead by the Jesuits, when the Lord
providentially delivered and sent a strong wind over the dikes, and flooded the
whole area, and flooded the Spanish soldiers.

And then, after that happened, He sent another strong West wind and blew the
water back over the dikes. This is a historical fact! Why don’t we hear this in
history? For the same reason we don’t hear when Louis XIV brought his army
across the river into Holland to kill all those Dutch, in 1672, right around there,
that the river, right where the army was crossing, thawed out, and the whole French
army went to the bottom of the river, as a result of the prayers of those Protestants
of Holland. We’re not taught that either!
The assassination of William of Orange was probably the second most significant
act of Jesuit dominance, next to the murder of Coligny at St. Bartholomew’s
Massacre. Because it was first St. Bartholomew’s massacre, and then the murder of
William of Orange. And, of course, William of Orange was shot by a Jesuit-
controlled assassin, Balthazar Girard, in his own house. And the last words of
William, of course, were: "God be merciful to these poor people."

Martin: What is the Royal Institute of International Affairs?

Phelps: The Royal Institute of International Affairs is the same as the American

Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). The Royal Institute runs England and the
British Empire, what was once the extension of the British, just as the CFR runs
our country. They’re sister organizations.

Martin: Where are they based?

Phelps: They’re based in London.

Martin: And who is their head; do you know?

Phelps: I don’t know right now. The John Birch Society wrote a lot about that, and
they did expose the CFR and the Royal Institute of International Affairs. Allan
Stang has written a lot about that.

Martin: What was the "Gunpowder Plot" of 1605?

Phelps: The Gunpowder Plot of 1605 was the Jesuits attempt to destroy what
William Howitt—and Howitt was the great writer who wrote A Popular History Of
Priestcraft, 1835—he said it was a Jesuit attempt to destroy our Great King
Solomon, King James I, along with the entire Protestant Parliament. Because
remember, Elizabeth I had expelled the Jesuits from her empire, and if they were
ever caught they were to be drawn and quartered.

After she died, the conspiracy went on there that went on with William Cecil. They
named Mary Queen of Scott’s son as the King of England, rather than Elizabeth’s
son, because Elizabeth had a son who was the Earl of South Hampton,
Wriothesley, and that was the son of Edward Devere, who we know as William
Shakespeare.

There was no William Shakespeare. The man was Edward Devere. He ran the
Globe Theater. He was the Lord Great Chamberlain to Queen Elizabeth, and he
secretly had a son who was the Third Earl of South Hampton. He was the rightful
heir to the thrown, not King James VI of Scotland.
You can find all this documented in two great works: the first is
called Shakespeare Identified and the author is Looney. The explosion of that book
is called This Star Of England, written by Carlton and Dorothy Ogborn, in 1952,
and it’s a 1200-page work, and in it they explain all the plays of Shakespeare, and
that they are, in the words of Hamlet: "A brief abstract and chronicle of the times."
Nothing but history.

And then there’s another book, Wasn’t Shakespeare Someone Else?, written by

Tweeny, and in that book he evaluates the 150 sonnets. In those sonnets Edward
Devere put his name: Vere or Uvre or Vere—he puts his name in acrostics
throughout all the sonnets. And the last couple sonnets he puts his name in double
acrostics. It’s amazing, showing that he wrote the sonnets.

Martin: Why were the Jesuits so upset about the Edict of Nantes, and what was
it’s significance?

Phelps: Ok, the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes—it can be spelled Nantes or

Nantz. Anyway, the Edict of Nantes was put forward by King Henry IV. King
Henry IV was a Roman Catholic, but he converted to Protestantism and he became
a Huguenot. But he was not allowed to take the throne of France until he
renounced his Protestantism. So, for the sake of the kingdom, he renounced his
Protestantism, and in 1610, I believe, issued forth the Edict of Nantes.

The Edict of Nantes guaranteed religious freedom to all the French. That included
the Protestant, Calvinist, Huguenots, which of course included those who would
have followed Admiral Coligny, who the Jesuits murdered with that she-wolf,
Catherine de Medici. With the Edict of Nantes we have religious liberty in France.
This cannot be. France is a cornerstone of Jesuit power, so it cannot allow this to
be in place. The Council of Trent condemns it, because it’s freedom of conscience.

So, after they murder Henry IV with Ravaillac, when they stabbed him through his
heart, according to Sully in his memoirs, they murdered Henry IV for this, and also
for attempting to reinforce the Dutch. They then, in 1685—when the Beatles are
singing about the "Sun King" in their "white" album, they’re singing about Louis
XIV. And that’s telling you that the Beatles are Jesuit-controlled. The Sun King,
Louis XIV who reigned, who rules over France for, I believe, 60 years, he, because
of his Jesuit confessor, Pere La Chaise, revokes the Edict of Nantes, and with that,
no more religious freedom in France.

And then they sent their French dragons out and beheaded and killed every
Huguenot they could find, driving 500,000 Frenchmen out of the country, the
wealth of France, the manhood of France, all left for Holland and England. That
destroyed France. From then on, France became a nothing nation.
The French Revolution could never have happened had not the Revocation of the
Edict of Nantes taken place. Because now, there’s no Bible in France. And to this
day, the French have never published a French version of the Textus
Receptus. Number one, all French Bibles have been produced in foreign countries,
when they’ve been translated from the Greek Textus Receptus into French; France
has never done it. That shows the Jesuit power over France to this day.

And the French have probably been the most manly, the strongest, the most
gracious, the most determined in kicking the Jesuits out of their country. They’ve
kicked them out, to my knowledge, three times—and again, they come back,
foment wars, kill off the rulers, etc. Drive Eugene Sue into exile; he dies of a
broken heart. Drive Calvin into exile; he can never return to France. All the great
Frenchmen are driven into exile.

So we have, as American patriots, we have a great camaraderie for the French.

They helped us in our American Revolution. And why did they help us? Because
they’ve been expelled from France. Why did Spain help us? Why did they help
finance our Revolution? The Jesuits had been expelled from Spain. So payback
came for Spain and France, for helping this heretic, Protestant nation come into
existence, with the Napoleonic Wars, when they killed Louis XVI and drove the
Bubons from the Spanish thrown. That was payback.

Martin: For 30 years of war, from 1618-1648, you state that the Jesuits, through
Ferdinand II, killed-off 10 million people. That’s quite a statement.

Phelps: That statement comes from Ridpath’s History Of The World, published in

1899. And that is his encyclopedia of his history of the world. That was common
knowledge in 1899. The 30 Years War was hell on Earth for Europe. Two-thirds of
Germany was brought back to Rome. It was leveled, plundered, and destroyed.

Wallenstein and Tilly were the fanatical Roman Catholic generals who raped,
pillaged, and plundered everything in their path. But the Lord raised up certain
great generals like Gustavus Adolphus from Sweden. He was called the "Snow
King" and he was the one who ultimately, he paved the way for the victory of the
30 Years War.

But without that Protestant victory of the 30 Years War, the peace of
Westphalia, which the Pope was not invited to, there would have been no modern
era as we know it today. According to any historian, the modern era begins in
1648. That is when the 80 Year War in Holland ended with Spain. That is when the
30 Years War ended with Ferdinand II and the Protestants of Germany, and
Sweden, and so-on.

1648 is the wonderful year in which the Modern Era began, when inventors could
go to Germany and say: "Well, you know, maybe the Earth isn’t flat." And maybe
Leeuwenhoek could invent the microscope in Holland, and now, later on, James
Clerk Maxwell, who was a Bible-believing, Protestant Presbyterian, he can write
his treatise called Electricity And Magnetism, the father of what we know today
about electricity and magnetism. Now, science can blossom and bloom. Now we
can have literature. Now we can have great writers, like Sir Walter Scott, who
writes great works like Ivanhoe and Peveril Of The Peak. Now we can have
Charles Dickens, another Protestant, who writes A Tale Of Two Cities, one of
London and the other of Rome. We have great literature surfacing as a result of the
Modern Era.

But the Jesuits, in their determination to destroy the Reformation and the Modern
Era and bring us back to the Dark Ages, seek to reverse the effects of the Modern
Era, and thus, what was brought about by the 30 Years War. And to know the 30
Years War is to understand the second 30 Years War, which started in 1914 and
ended in 1945.

Martin: In 1639, the Jesuits were also expelled from Japan. Apparently the Jesuits
never forgot that.

Phelps: They never forgot it. For over 200 years they have been expelled. And
remember the words of Lincoln: "The Jesuits never forget nor forsake."

So, payback time was coming for Japan. The Emperor had expelled them, so that
dynasty was targeted. Ultimately, the Emperor would be destroyed or his dynasty
would end. And so payback time was the mass fire-bombings by the American Air
Force, financed by the Jesuits, as the Jesuits own Lockheed, Boeing, McDonald-
Douglas, and Grumman, and they used their B-29 to firebomb Japan to
smithereens. You can get the fact that the Jesuits control these aircraft companies
from Avro Manhattan’s The Vatican Billions.

Martin: I’m trying to get a little more current here, but some of this older stuff is
also so fascinating, I’m going back and forth here. Our readers are just going to
have to be a little flexible in their reading. (laughter)

Phelps: Right.

Martin: In 1649 there was the Irish Massacre. What was it, and let’s discuss the
hatred between the Protestants and Catholics in Ireland, as a result of the Irish
Massacre.

Phelps: Ok. Of course, we believe in freedom of speech, freedom of conscience,

freedom of the press. That is an outgrowth of Protestantism, because all Protestants
were defending their right to believe theBible in the face of Rome’s expectations to
believe the priests and the decrees of the Popes.
Many of the Irish were born-again. They came to know the Lord. Much preaching
was done up there. In fact, Patrick, of St. Patrick’s Day, was no Catholic. He was a
Protestant. And so, he was a great Protestant preacher of Ireland, and many, many
Irish came to know the Lord. And their point of location was primarily in the
North, in Northern Ireland, which today is Ulster, Belfast, etc.

Well, the Jesuits, in fulfilling their Bloody Oath that we are making and waging
relentless war on all Protestants, and all political liberals, they hatched-out the plot
to kill all the Irish Protestants in Ireland with the O’Neil family. And I wonder if
that O’Neil family was related to Tip O’Neil?

In 1641, the massacre began, carried out by Roman Catholic nobles and the mobs
in Ireland. When they started that massacre, it continued from 1641 to 1649. The
massacre ended when they killed 150,000, but they still taught the Catholic
children to kill the Protestant children. So, Irish Protestants were being massacred,
enmasse, for 8 years.

This is NEVER told whenever anybody is ever talking about Oliver Cromwell,
when Cromwell came up with his Puritan Army and ended that, when he took
Drogheda, and killed every living thing in Drogheda—men, women, children,
animal, everything.

Ones say: "Oh, the beast Oliver Cromwell. Look what he did to Drogheda!" What
about those beasts killing those Irish Protestants for 8 years, bashing out the brains
of the little babies, smashing them up against the walls like they did, led by the
priests?

This was just like they did in Croatia with the Serbs in World War II, when they
gouged-out the eyes of all the Serbians, where one particular priest had 23 kilos
worth of eyes. They were doing the same thing to the Irish Protestants.

So, when Cromwell came up, and it was vengeance for the Irish Massacre, and the
Irish Massacre was NOT started by the Protestants, it was started by the Jesuits
according to Fox’s Book Of Martyrs. And you can find the whole narration there,
which was a classic that all Englishmen used to read with the King James Bible.

Martin: Do you believe that Great Britain is truly Protestant-controlled, Jewish-

controlled, or Jesuit-controlled?

Phelps: Jesuit-controlled.

Martin: Why?

Phelps: Well, let’s go back. To understand today we have to go back to the

Napoleonic Wars.
When Napoleon came to power, he was brought to power in Corsica. When the
Jesuits were suppressed, one of their main outposts during their suppression was
the Isle of Corsica. The Jesuits, remember, had finished the High Rites of
Freemasonry with Frederick the Great, and then used their French Freemason
Napoleon to execute their vengeance.

However, the Jesuits were also protected during their suppression in England. A
very wealthy landowner—and you can find this in Ridpath’s History Of The World
—gave his wonderful, beautiful estate Stonyhurst to the Jesuit Order. And from
then on, the Jesuits received protection by King George III, and you will find that
in Mitchell’s The Jesuits. Mitchell is an English historian.

Ok, so the Jesuits are now protected by King George III. Well, they’re going to
uphold his throne. The Jesuits use the English army and navy in the resistance of
Napoleon, as both sides are controlled, so that the Jesuits can control the outcome.

The end result is that, after Napoleon accomplishes everything that the Jesuits want
him to do—the expulsion of the Knights of Malta, the driving of the Roman
Catholics from their throne, imprisoning the Pope for 5 years, etc.—Napoleon is
then ordered to abandon his army in the snows of Russia, killing all of those
French and German patriots, so that there are very few patriots left in Europe to
resist the tyranny coming in France with Louis XVIII, who the Jesuits will put
back on the throne.

Louis XVIII was in exile, in England, in King George’s own parlor, waiting for the
end of the Napoleonic Wars. So, the Jesuits put Louis XVIII back on the throne.
He readmitted the Jesuits, started the Inquisition, just like they did with Ferdinand
VII when they restored him to power in Spain after the Napoleonic Wars.

And where do these monarchs get their protection? From King George III. King
George was used by the Jesuits to restore their power in Europe, after the
Napoleonic Wars, after they punished the Pope and the monarchs.

So, it’s been, really, from 1795, right around there, that the Jesuits have controlled
England. They’ve controlled the Knights, they’ve controlled the King. All
throughout the 18th century, now, England will never go to war with France again.
England will side with the French during the Crimean War. England will be on the
side of the French during World Wars I & II. England and France are together,
both controlled by the Jesuits—even though France is predominantly a Catholic
country, and when England was, at least on it’s face, a Protestant country. Why
should both be working together, both having the same foreign policy. Why?
Because the Jesuits control both countries.

When Rothschild sent that note, via Roost, into London, saying that Napolean had
won the Battle of Waterloo, that’s when the stocks plummeted, and all the Jesuits
bought all the stocks up, there in London, and got control of the Bank of England.
The Jesuits then made London their commercial center of the world, and Rome
their religious center, aiming that one day Jerusalem would be both.

So now the Jesuits are in control of England. After the Napoleonic Wars, we have
the Congress of Vienna in 1815, and guess who’s there? All the representatives of
King George. England is represented at the Congress of Vienna, the settlement
after the Napoleonic Wars. If England was truly Protestant, they would have never
went there. Now the Jesuits are in control of England throughout the 1800s, and
they use the British Empire to further the power of the Pope. England has been
under Rome’s control, the Pope’s control, since, at the very latest, 1850. And I say
since 1795.

Martin: Let’s talk about Elizabeth II.

Phelps: Elizabeth II is a wicked, evil queen. She is the head of the Knights of

Malta in England. She curtsies to the Lord Mayor in Old London, and she goes and
visits the Jesuits of Stonyhurst and kisses their derrières. She has complete
allegiance to the Jesuits of Stonyhurst, and will do anything they tell her to do, or
they’ll get rid of her just like they got rid of all the rest of the monarchs in Europe.

Martin: So you see her as a pawn.

Phelps: She’s just a pawn, sure. She’s nothing. Remember, White men rule the
world. Evil, White, sodomite, homosexual men rule the world, and these are the
High Jesuits, with their High Knights of Malta and High Freemasons, they rule.
And these women who are involved are just pawns in their game, like the queen,
the queen of Holland, just to give the appearance that these nations have a
sovereign monarch, when in fact, they’re just tools.

England has done some awful, terrible things, but all of the things that they have
done increase and benefit the Jesuit Order. They never resisted Napoleon III.
Napoleon III was a fanatical Roman Catholic Freemason, subject to the Jesuits,
who was the King of France for 18 years, second Empire. England never resisted
him. They fought with him in the Crimean War. And Napoleon III dedicated all of
his ships to the Virgin Mary. England has been on the side of the Jesuits since
1815, no later. So, that means that the British Secret Service is totally working for
Rome, all throughout the 1800s.

Martin: How did the Jesuits regain control of the Vatican in 1814?

Phelps: Remember that they were in control of Napoleon. A Jesuit by the name of

Abbie Sieyes—you can find him, again, in Ridpath’s History Of The World—
Abbie Sieyes was a Jesuit-trained individual, and I believe he was a Jesuit. He was
on the Directory, and he was also on the Consulate; he was the second counsel.
Napoleon was the first; he was the second. He was the advisor and director of
Napoleon. Abbie Sieyes, being the Jesuit that he was, ordered Napoleon to
imprison the Pope for 5 years, and he did! So, the Pope was in prison for 5 years
until 1814, when he restored the Jesuit Order. The Pope, prior to that, was killed.
They brought him over the mountains of the Alps, and he died through that
debacle.

The Jesuits thoroughly humiliated the papacy. They used their French soldiers to
overturn St. Peter’s chair, and they found, written in Arabic: "There is no other
God but Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet." And THAT is what is under St.
Peter’s chair today. That was stolen from some kalif during the Crusades.

So, they completely intimidated the Pope and showed their power. The Pope then
restored them with a Papal Bull, calling upon the vengeance of the Apostles Peter
and Paul, blah, blah, blah, for anyone who would ever suppress the Jesuit Order
ever again. When the Jesuits were "reinstalled" in all their power, that’s when they
were in control of the Pope, and from then on they have been.

Any Pope who resists them gets punished or murdered. And all the Popes know it.
When Pius IX wanted a liberal constitution for the Italian people in 1849, all of the
Italians were delighted. Here is a liberal Pope; he’s going to give us constitutional
rights; we’re going to have a constitution.

The Jesuits raised up a revolution with Garibaldi and their Freemasons, and drove
Pius IX from his throne. He had to stay in Gaeta for about a year. When he
returned to Rome, under the protection of Napoleon III’s French army—actually, it
was the republic’s army that would later be his "army of the empire"—but they
returned with a French army, protecting the Pope, he became the most fanatical
absolutist, pursuant to the wishes of the Jesuits.

So, Piux IX was punished. But the Popes who don’t obey, like, what was it, In
God’s Name, the Pope who was murdered after 33 days, when he didn’t go along
with the Jesuit Order, they ended his life.

[Editor’s note: Eric is here referring to the very well researched and deeply
insightful 1984 Bantam Books gem (that’s very hard to find, for "some" reason!)
by David A. Yallop, called In God’s Name, which details the author’s thorough
investigation into the murder of Pope John Paul I the night of September 28-29,
1978 after John Paul had been digging into the massive web of corruption
surrounding the Vatican Bank. For all of you who look for clues, note well the
choosing of day 33 since his election for the execution of the murder.]

When you steal from the Vatican, like the Cardinal did at the PII Lodge, they killed
him (Kalvi), and they hanged the other guy, beginning with the admiralty
jurisdiction, at their first bridge of the sea. So they have their assassins everywhere
to carry out orders. They are machines. They are the perfect "Manchurian
Candidates" and they will kill popes, cardinals, presidents, kings, and kaisers, to
maintain Jesuit power. They are utterly ruthless—just like they said they would be
in the Protocols: "We are merciless."

Martin: As you look around the world today, who do you see opposing them?

Phelps: It’s interesting. I have a friend who makes quite a few trips to Haiti. I told
her about the Jesuits. She got to questioning a few people, and she found that Papa
Doc had expelled the Jesuits from Haiti.

Martin: No kidding?

Phelps: That’s right. Isn’t it interesting, his son was also driven from power and
the guy put in his place, I believe it was Aristide, is a member of the Council on
Foreign Relations and a complete pawn of the Pope and the Jesuit Order—for
which reason, when those Haitians wanted to drive Aristide from his power, this
filthy, Jesuit-controlled government in Washington put an embargo against Haiti,
wrecking the country. See how the U.S. government uses its military, political, and
financial power to maintain the temporal power of the Pope? And that’s not only in
Haiti; it’s everywhere. Russia is another example.

Martin: Don’t you see, coming up soon in Israel, some of these powers coming
head-to-head over the rebuilding of Solomon’s Temple? Don’t you see some
conflicts with the powers that be?

Phelps: Which powers are you talking about?

Martin: I don’t know; there seem to be so many involved.

Phelps: We first have to remember the creation of the nation of Israel. World War
I prepared the land for the people. World War II prepared the people for the land.
World War III, the battle of Armageddon, will "prepare the people for their
messiah"—with national repentance and realizing that "Jesus, the messiah, is the
savior and will deliver them".

The present government of Israel was set up by the High Masonic Rothschild-
controlled Jews, and Rothschild has had an alliance with the Jesuit General since
1876, with Adam Weishaupt. This is the very same Rothschild powers who
betrayed the Jews into the hands of the Nazis, killing many Jews all throughout
Europe, betraying their own Jewish people. These are the very same powers who
run the nation of Israel today.

I read a very interesting paragraph by Mark Lane in his book Plausible

Denial when he tells about a Jew in Israel who wrote about certain criminal Jews,
involved with the Nazis, who are now with the Mossad, something along those
lines. The man who wrote the article was gunned-down in front of his home.

So, Rome controls the Israeli government. It controls the Israeli government
through the Mossad.

Who trained the Mossad? Reinhard Gehlen.

We find that fact in Loftus’ work The Secret War Against The Jews in most telling,
telling detail.

So what do we have? We have high-level treason and betrayal of the Jewish race;
that is there in Israel today, by their own leaders, who are loyal to Rome and the
Jesuit Order. And to show this, we have a great big Rockefeller edifice in
Jerusalem; we have an ophthalmology center in Jerusalem run by the Knights of
Malta. There’s nothing but Knights of Malta, high-level Freemasonry, and the
Jesuit Order running all of Israel.

So what’s going to happen, I believe, with the Dome of the Rock is, that has got to
be removed—somehow, someway. It’s on the Temple site; it has to be removed.

If I was the Jesuit General, I would make— somehow, someway—American

bombers do it. Because I want to create universal hatred for this nation of the
United States, because in the United States there are more Protestants and more
Jews than any country in the world, and "we’ve" got to kill all those people. So
what better way than to create a Jihad, a Moslem fanatical attack against the United
States, coupled with a Chinese invasion from the East. That’s what I think is going
to happen.

The Jews are not going to destroy that Temple site because, if they do, Rome will
destroy their efforts of rebuilding the Temple.

Because, if Moslems control all of Jerusalem, that Temple will never be rebuilt. It
has to stay in Jewish hands—because the Jews, and rightfully so, need their own
homeland. They’re entitled to the nation. And they haven’t had their own Temple
of worship. They are rightfully entitled to that.

But what they don’t know is that they are being used by the Jesuits to rebuild their
own Temple, that they would love to have rebuilt, for the Pope, so he can sit there
and be the man of sin, the Anti-Christ of the Book of Daniel, Chapter 9. That’s
what I see coming for Israel.

The assassination of Rabin? He wanted to give away too much. He probably

wanted to give away some of Jerusalem. The Jesuits will never allow that. So, his
bodyguards just step aside and the Mossad kills him. And nothing more is ever
heard.

Rome’s—the Jesuit General’s—international intelligence community carries out

all high-level assassinations, kills anybody who’s against their program. And
Cromwell knew this, back in his day, and that’s why he protected himself—160 of
his finest "ironsides" as his bodyguards, and no one got to him.

So anybody who’s going to resist the Jesuit Order has to be doing it as a matter of
a "religious" conviction—being protected by God and good men who are loyal to
Him. If it’s simply political, with a hired Secret Service, you can forget it.

Martin: Let’s go back to St. Patrick’s Cathedral in New York. Why is that so

significant? You talk about the American Pope. Again, that person is?

Phelps: Cardinal O’Connor.

Martin: Now, what is his role in the United States?

Phelps: Ok, remember first that this title "American Pope" was gotten from
Conney’s work. John Conney wrote The American Pope, I believe in 1988, so a lot
of this information is from that document.

The American Pope is the Cardinal of New York. He is the most powerful Cardinal
in the United States. He is what’s called "the military vicar".

The military vicar is in command of all of the military orders within the United
States, they being the Knights of Malta and the Knights of Columbus. He is also in
command, and privately, of "the Commission" because Cardinal Spellman was an
intimate of Joe Kennedy, and Joe Kennedy was an intimate of Frank Costello.

We also see that it was Cardinal Spellman who enabled "Lucky" Luciano to be
released from the prison in New York, to return to Italy in 1946. And this was
because of the Luciano Project that I mentioned in my book. But Lucky Luciano,
his Mafia on the East Coast, worked in conjunction with the U.S. Navy,
supposedly to protect the Eastern seaboard from German U-boat attack.

So, as payback? Cardinal Spellman releases Lucky Luciano—that filthy, wicked,

evil, heartless spiritual bastard, who compelled young girls into prostitution,
probably one of the cruelest things any man could do. He is released and sent back
to Rome.

When the Kennedy assassination comes up, the Cardinal needs a favor. After all,
he’s released Luciano. So now the Mafia gets to participate: Jack Ruby, Carlos
Marcello, Santos Trafficante, all the High Dons participate. Why? Because that
Cardinal in New York controls the Commission.

And that Commission, you know what it controls? All of the trucking, all the
supermarkets, it’s power is beyond our wildest imagination, second only to the
Knights of Malta. And, of course, they all control the Federal Reserve Bank.

The Cardinal controls the Federal Reserve Bank through the Council on Foreign
Relations. The Council on Foreign Relations belongs to the Cardinal. Spellman
was not a member of it, during his day, but two of the most powerful members
were Knights of Malta: Henry Luce and J. Peter Grace, and also William F.
Buckley, to this day. William F. Buckley is indeed one of my enemies, because I
name him, and he is a powerful multi-billionaire who participated in the Kennedy
assassination, just like Iacocca, another Knight. Both of those men are subject to
Cardinal O’Connor and will do ANYTHING he says.

Martin: Do you know who is head of the Knights of Malta, now?

Phelps: Yes; his name is Flynn. He took over when Grace died in ’93. Flynn is
head of the American branch. The head of the worldwide branch, the international
Knights of Malta, is Andrew Bertie; he’s an Englishman. And you can find that in
the National Catholic Reporter, when you go after their various articles on the
Knights of Malta.

Martin: Do the Knights of Malta actually meet, actually hold meetings with the
Jesuits?

Phelps: Oh, sure. Remember that Alexander Haig is a powerful Knight of Malta.

His brother is a Jesuit.

So, sure they have meetings. The High Knights of Malta, who meet in their palace
on Aventin Hill, in Rome, of course, meet with the Jesuit General, and so on. And
Count von Hoensbroech, who was a German Noble who became a Jesuit for 14
years—he wrote a two-volume work called Fourteen Years A Jesuit. His father
was a Knight of Malta. Yes, the Jesuits work in conjunction and have regular
meetings with the Knights of Malta.

The Knights control the money. The Knights control the banks. They control the
Bank of Canada, Federal Reserve Bank, Bank of England; they control the
banking. They were the ones who were behind the sinking of the Titanic, with the
creation of the White Star Line, J.P. Morgan and others.

Martin: Alan Greenspan, then, would be?

Phelps: Alan Greenspan is a Jew, probably a Freemason, because he is the leader
of the Temple called the "Federal Reserve Bank" and they always put Jews in the
forefront—so that they can blame all of what they do on the Jewish race in this
country, to create an anti-Semitism everywhere, just like Charles Coughlin, the
radio Jesuit priest of the ’30s did.

Greenspan, Bloomenthal, Warburg, and all those Jews need to be publicly rebuked,
because they are creating the mass genocide of the Jewish race in the United
States. The Jews are being blamed right now for the foreign policy in Bosnia.
Madeline Albright—she’s a Jew—they’re blaming her for what’s going on in
Serbia. I’ve got a good Serbian friend who blames her. I said she’s just a pawn of
the Jesuit CFR. Don’t blame the Jewish people. It’s these Jewish "pawns" who are
loyal to the Pope and the Jesuits who are doing this.

The Zionists—the Jesuits are the Great Zionists. They control all of the
historical High Zionists—Theodor Herzl, David Ben-Gurion, Golda Meir.
Zionism is a Masonic term, coined by the Jesuits. They are the rulers; they are
the Protocols; they are the Elders of Zion. So the Zionists are, indeed, evil and
wicked; but they are controlled by Rome. The Jews are not all Zionists.

I remember when I went to Jerusalem and Israel in 1976, and a lady said to this
particular man that I had met: "You’re more of a Zionist than we are!" And I
thought: "What does that mean? I don’t understand that."

I only later understood why Yasser Arafat says he doesn’t hate the Jews; he can’t
stand the Zionists. And I’m thinking: "What’s the difference?" I, later, learned that
there is a great difference between those Zionists and the other Jews. The Orthodox
Jews can’t stand the Zionists.

So what’s the difference? The Zionists are socialist communists, controlled by

Rome. They are atheists, just like the Jesuits, although they’re being used to
rebuild the nation of Israel. They are the enemies of the Jewish people, per se.

There’s no conflict going on in the Middle East. There’s no conflict going on with
the Arab nations. All of the Arab nations are under the command of Masonic kings
or iotollas. Saddam Hussein is no enemy of George Bush; they’re both brothers,
brothers of the lodge. That whole thing was set up to kill off a whole bunch of
Arabs for the protection of the Zionist state of Israel.

Martin: Well, Bush and Saddam were business partners. We’ve covered that in
recent past issues of our newspaper.

Phelps: Sure. That’s why they never killed Saddam. They could have easily killed
him. The CIA can kill anybody they want to. They could have easily killed
Saddam and got out. They could use their own Arab agents in there. Saddam was a
very important tool.

Martin: Still is.

Phelps: Still is, sure. They keep the Arab peoples and nations at bay by controlling
them through their leaders. Or, when they start to get out of control in their
Moslem fanaticism, they then foment a war and kill off a whole bunch of them.
Make sense?

Martin: There was a statement you made in your book about the Jesuits
controlling the Nation of Islam, and that was almost a surprising statement to read.
I would think that someone like Louis Farrakhan would be pretty adamant.

Phelps: Yeah, he would hate me for that one. Well, let’s think a little bit here:

Chicago is ruled by the Archbishop of Chicago, a Cardinal. It was Cody; I don’t

know who it is now. Do you think anything goes down in Chicago without the
Cardinal’s approval?

Where was the Nation of Islam founded? Chicago.

Where is Louis Farrakhan’s—that murderer’s—mansion? Chicago. He lives like a

king.

What does he hand out? He hands out the Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of
Zion to all of deluded Black Nation of Islam people, so that they can hate the Jews,
just like the Klu Klux Klan.

That’s right. Those three little tidbits, right there, prove that the Nation of
Islam is totally under Jesuit control. They are going to be used to foment
anarchy and agitation, because they have an army called "the fruit of Islam",
and they have millions of rounds stored in all the major cities—guns stored
everywhere, so that they can start the race war. And when that happens, you
see, then the brothers in Washington can implement Martial Law, suspend
the Constitution, and now the Jesuits have what they want.

So, they use these Blacks in the North, who hate the White people, for their
own destruction, for the destruction of the Black people themselves. And the
Nation of Islam is part of that.

When I was in the Air Force, and in jail for about 10-15 days, about 10 years ago,
the Nation of Islam was paramount, or tried to be paramount, there. All the Blacks
in jail become Moslems. It’s a "hate the White man" religion. Every White man is
a White, blue-eyed Devil. And they’re playing—the Zodiac killer, back in
California many years ago, all Moslems. So it’s a "hate the White man" religion,
designed to foment agitation and unrest.

Martin Lucifer King was intimately involved with them. The only problem is,
Malcolm X got on to it. He realized he was being used and he separated from it.
Then he ceased to be an agitator.

Martin: Malcolm X was way ahead of his time.

Phelps: Yeah. Malcolm X was a good guy.

Martin: Yes, he was.

Phelps: Malcolm X, even though he was used by the Jesuits, because he hated

the King James Bible, he was a great agitator. When he went to Mecca, he
changed.

Martin: Yes, he did.

Phelps: And when he came back, he stopped being an agitator. He stopped hating

the White man. He started to set up the African-American Movement. And as a
result, he was assassinated by the high leaders of the FBI and the Nation of Islam.

And what do they both have in common? High-level Shriner Freemasonry.

And so, we have the Masons in control of the Nation of Islam and the Klu Klux
Klan—one agitating Blacks, and the other agitating Whites, to the glory of the
Jesuit Order. The other Civil Rights Movement had the Jesuits behind that—with
LaFarge. Jesuit LeFarge was a great mover and shaker of the Civil Rights
Movements. And that agitation resulted in amalgamation, race-mixing, the
destruction of a White race and a Black race, producing a nation of hybrids that
cannot maintain free government.

That is what they proposed to do in the first Reconstruction, but it failed; so they
succeeded in the second Reconstruction in the ’60s. The Jesuits are masters of the
races. They know their strengths and their weaknesses.

The only race who successfully resisted the Jesuit Order is the White, Anglo-
Celtic, Saxon race, with a Bible in one hand and a gun in the other. And so they’ve
got to take the Bible away, they’ve got to take the gun away, and they’ve got to
destroy that race. And that’s what they are essentially doing here. I know that’s a
racist statement, but I’m sorry, it’s just the way it is. That’s history, and that’s what
they’re doing.
 The "Black" Pope
Count Hans Kolvenbach—The Jesuit’s General 
Pt. 2

Martin: The relationship between Communism and Freemasonry. Where do the

Jesuits fit into Communism and Freemasonry?

Phelps: Let’s, first of all, look at the relationship of Jesuitism to Communism. The

Jesuits perfected the tenets of Communism on their reductions in Paraguay, for 150
years, from 1600-1750.

Martin: What is a reduction?

Phelps: A reduction is a commune. In Israel they would call it a kibbutz. In Joseph

Stalin’s Russia they would call it a commune. In New York they call it a village. In
France, Paris, they called it a commune. It’s communal living where everybody is
equal in their finances, in the labors; you have no great, no small, no rich, no poor
—everybody is small, and everybody is poor, and everybody is controlled by a
dictator. That’s the essence of Communism.

The Jesuits, on the reductions in Paraguay, which were the communes, had a
central bank, and it was "each according to their ability and each according to their
need". And so, the Guarani Indians that were the subjects—and there were some
200,000 of these South American Indian natives who were slaves of the Jesuits,
putting their goods into world commerce and trade. They were living under the
tenets of Communism, perfected by the Jesuits, as outlined in Plato’s Republic and
Sir Thomas Moore’s Utopia. The Jesuits perfected it on their reductions.

With that, they then introduced Communism in 1848 through Karl Marx. They
tutored him in the British Museum, according to Alberto Rivera, an ex-Jesuit.

So Marx, the Jewish Freemason, was to be the one to put forward this
Communism for the world, so that Communism would look like a Jewish
brain-child, so that Communism could be blamed on the Jews. Well, what’s
not told is that the Jews involved in the implementing of Communism were
Masonic Jews. Karl Marx was a 33rd-degree Freemason, a worshipper of
Lucifer, whose father wanted nothing to do with him, because his father was a
Baptist preacher.
Jewish Freemasonry, controlled by the Jesuits, implemented Communism in
Russia. Lenin, the half-Jew, was a Freemason. That civil war that took place from
1917-1922, for 5 years, was given the appearance that it was primarily Yiddish. I
mean, they’re on the streets of Russia talking Yiddish; they had Yiddish signs; and
it was wanted to give the impression to the world that this revolution was of Jewish
origin.

For 10 years after the revolution, the Jews faired very well, but in 1922, Joseph
Stalin, that great Jew-hater, who was educated by Jesuits in Georgia—which was a
country south of Russia and, therefore, the Emperor’s banning of the Jesuits from
Russia, his Ukase, did not reach to Georgia. So the Jesuits stayed in Georgia,
trained Joseph Stalin, brought him in after the Revolution, and made him Secretary
of the Communist Party in 1922, until he died in 1953.

The Jesuits used Freemasonry and, of course, Stalin was also a brother Freemason.
They used Freemasonry to implement Communism in Russia, and from there,
China, and from there, throughout the world.

When Germany had their revolution after World War I, their Communist
revolution—remember, they requested an armistice—they had never been beaten
on the field of battle.

The Germans were foisted into that war; they never started World War I. It was
started by France and Russia and England, for the purpose of destroying Germany,
because Germany had expelled the Jesuits. During that war, the Germans requested
an armistice to stop this Communist revolution in Germany.

And who lead the revolution? The German Freemasons.

According to the Kaiser, in his memoirs, it was German Freemasonry that got him
off his throne and deposed him. He had to go into exile in Holland. He wrote his
memoirs in 1935.

So the relationship between Jesuitism, Communism and Freemasonry we see

evolving and expanding from the 1600s to the ultimate achievement in the
Bolshevik Revolution.

In my book, I parallel the French Revolution and the Bolshevik Revolution, and
they are identical. It was French Freemasonry that caused the French Revolution
and the Jacobins, and it was the Freemasons in Russia, with Bolsheviks, who
caused the Russian Revolution, with their Bolsheviks, leading and ending in
Joseph Stalin. In France, it ended with Napoleon; in Russia, it ended with Stalin.
And so, that’s the relationship there.

Martin: Why was Eugene Sue so significant?

Phelps: Eugene Sue wrote his masterpiece The Wandering Jew, and in that
masterpiece he weaves a fantastic story from India to England to France, of the
power of the Jesuit Order and their attempt to destroy the Rennepont family, a
French Huguenot Protestant family, and acquire a fortune that’s due to be inherited
by the members of that family on a certain day, at a certain time, in a certain year.

Well, that fortune is held, in trust, by a Jew, for which reason the book is
named The Wandering Jew. It tells of the power of the Jesuit Order in that book,
and how the Jesuits mercilessly killed all these members of the Rennepont family
so they could not inherit their fortune.

The only one, I believe, they didn’t kill was a priest, whose name was Gabriel, who
was a decent and a righteous Catholic priest who repudiated the Jesuit Order. He
ordered the Jew to burn all the securities, that totaled something like $212 million,
that would have rightfully been this French family’s.

So, the Jesuits didn’t get it, nor did the French family get it. It’s written with such
drama and feeling that you cannot put this book down. It was translated into many
different languages. As a result, the French, and other nations, had their French
Revolution, the second French Revolution of 1848. But because it was not lead by
Godly men, it benefited the Jesuits.

Whenever you have a revolution led by unGodly men, it’s just like a man who’s on
a horse, trying to be pushed off the horse, and as he’s pushed off, another dictator
takes his place. That’s exactly what happened in France, and Italy, and the nations
who were involved in that second French Revolution.

But Eugene Sue had motivated the people of France to expel the Jesuits, and they
were finally expelled in 1880 by a French Freemason, in the 3rd Republic, Leon
Gambetta. So, they’re all Freemasons who resist them, but they pay with their
lives, like Garfield, like Gambetta, Roosevelt, Franklin D. Roosevelt. Roosevelt
really didn’t resist them; he just was killed by them.

Martin: Again, I’m jumping around.

Phelps: Ok.

Martin: What was Operation Mongoose?

Phelps: Operation Mongoose was purely "black ops" in the words of Fletcher

Prouty. Of course, Fletcher Prouty I consider the authority on what Operation
Mongoose was. Operation Mongoose was to "give the appearance" of resistance to
Castro’s government by attacking Cuba but, in effect, solidified his reign there.
That’s what it ultimately produced. And that’s what the Knights and the CIA
ultimately wanted. Ok?
The agreement that Kennedy made over the Cuban missile crisis in 1962—first of
all, there was no missile crisis. There’s no such thing as nuclear war. There’s no
such thing as a nuclear attack. That’s all a hoax. It’s just as much a hoax as going
and landing on the Moon. It’s a hoax.

Nuclear war, that fear, was the basis for the Cuban missile crisis. And out of that
hoax, Kennedy strikes a secret deal with Khrushchev that, if you keep the missiles
out of Cuba, we won’t bother Castro anymore. Well, that’s what the Jesuits wanted
anyway. They wanted to solidify Castro in power.

So that whole theatrical performance solidified Castro’s power in Cuba. And the
question is: Why would the Jesuits create this fanatical power in Cuba, run down
the Cuban people, put them in poverty, imprison them at random, create a living
hell down there, drive out the Mafia—the Mafia could no longer have their casinos
in Havana?

Why would the Mafia give up their casinos? For the international drug trade to be
developing out of Vietnam.

Therefore, if the Mafia is leaving, and we don’t have a bunch of American tourists
going down to Cuba anymore, and Cuba is really a secret country—the Bible is not
allowed there, missionaries are not allowed in, obviously under Jesuit control,
Castro was trained by Jesuits—what’s the purpose of Cuba under Castro?

It’s purpose is as a landing base for foreign invasion. They have hundreds of
vehicles, underground, in underground caves there, ready for a massive
invasion to the East Coast, primarily the South. Because the last of the
Protestants in this country are in the South.

Cuba will always be under a dictator and will never go back to freedom, because it
is to be a landing base. And you know what? It could very well be a landing base
for a Jihad that the Moslems will foment against us, because they’ll come right
across from Africa to Cuba, get reinforced, and then go landing into Florida, with
all their 5th-Column Cubans in Florida and Miami right now. Sounds wild, but—.

Martin: That’s a sobering thought.

Phelps: Yes, it is. Sounds wild, but I’m telling you, all the geography is in place.
However, they can’t pull this all off until they get your guns. So that’s why they’re
constantly creating these gun issues—people shooting people, the Columbine High
School bit—to justify the confiscation of all the guns. And when that happens, then
they can do what they want to do.

Martin: There are a lot of strong Americans out there.

Phelps: The only problem is this: they’re not united and they can’t be lead.
Americans are leaderless because they do not follow. They all think their opinions
are equal, and they’re not. I would follow General Patton anywhere. I wouldn’t
question an order of his. We don’t have men like that today, for the most part,
because we don’t have leaders like that today.

Martin: I found your account of Patton’s assassination fascinating, also your

speaking of the Jesuits’ poisoning of him.

Phelps: A member of the OSS came out in the Spotlight [newspaper] and said

that. His name was Zapata, that agent. He said he was given a contract on Patton
for $10,000. He didn’t kill him, but he knows the guy who did. So, Patton was
murdered, and General Vlasov was murdered, and both of them hated the Jesuits’
"Grand Inquisitor", Joseph Stalin. They would have united together to eradicate
Russia of that dictator, but the Jesuits would not have it because Russia is theirs.
They must control the Orthodox Church to bring it back to Rome. That’s why they
got rid of the Romanoffs.

Martin: Patton’s take-out was ordered by "Wild" Bill Donovan? Did I read that?

Phelps: That’s right. Wild Bill Donovan was the head of the OSS at the time. And
if you get Anthony K. Brown’s The Last Hero, it’s on Wild Bill Donovan. He is in
the Vatican at the end of his life, in a picture, walking in the Vatican to receive one
of the highest medals from the Pope, for a "lifetime" of intelligence service to the
Vatican. That is in The Last Hero and the picture is mesmerizing. I want to put it in
my book.

The OSS is nothing but an arm of the CIA and the Vatican, and that’s why they
took out Kenendy. They kill all the generals who don’t "play ball".

Martin: Let’s talk about the CIA and the FBI some more. What can you tell me
about their relationship to Count von Kolvenbach?

Phelps: Well, based upon the past, if the CIA and the FBI carried out the
assassination under Spellman, and Janseens was the Jesuit General then, the same
power structure is in place. So, von Kolvenbach, through his Knights of Malta and
Jesuits, control the FBI and CIA. And his liason of control is now Cardinal
O’Connor in New York.

Martin: Some time ago, with Gunther Russbacher and others, there was talk about
a split in the CIA, of different factions. Some even say there is a third faction in the
CIA that has split off. What’s your opinion about factional divisions within the
CIA?
Phelps: I think it’s true. I know that Angelton was the mole. Angelton was the one
who betrayed all those CIA agents in Russia, in which the vast majority of them
were killed, when he gave all that information to that KGB kingpin on a farm in
New York, in a van, stuffed with all the highest, top secret CIA documents. Ok?

Colby comes along as the Director of the CIA—I know his brother, he lives nearby
me—Colby comes along as the Director of the CIA and what does he do? He fires
Angelton. Bad news for Colby.

Martin: Yeah, it was.

Phelps: They filled him up with lead. Eric Timm, he was also against Angleton; he
was history. That’s all told in Anthony K. Brown’s work Treason In The Blood.
There’s a whole little chapter on Eric Timm and some of the other guys in the CIA
who were against Angelton. They all died. So there’s a faction in the CIA that
knows that something is rotten in Denmark, and they don’t quite know what it is.
Hopefully, they’ll read my book and see that the CIA is just an arm of the Jesuit
Order and Knights of Malta, carrying out the Council of Trent and the Pope’s
temple power, and will REVOLT, and start to tell the truth themselves.

It’s the same way in the FBI. My father lectured at the FBI Academy. He wanted
to be in the FBI, but his parents were Communists, so he was not let in by J. Edgar
Hoover. But the FBI has low-level agents who wonder just what’s going on. A lot
of them didn’t approve of what happened in Waco.

They need to come out and tell the truth. This whole "house of cards"—and
that’s what it is, this is not an undefeatable, invincible monster—it’s a house
of cards; it plays on FEAR. If men would tell the truth, and come out and tell
what they know, and not be afraid, this whole house of cards would crumble.
That’s what they need to do.

Martin: Who is Avery Dulles?

Phelps: Avery Dulles is the son of John Foster Dulles, Secretary of State, I

believe, under Eisenhower. Avery Dulles is a Jesuit, and he was the nephew of the
head of the CIA during the Kennedy assassination, who was Allan Dulles. And
Allan Dulles was a Freemason, also called "the gentleman spy" in the book The
Gentleman Spy.

Martin: What was Angelton’s role in the Kennedy assassination?

Phelps: Angelton was the one who was to "investigate" it on the part of the CIA.
(laughter)
Angelton also, I believe, was liaison to the Warren Commission—no, that was
Dulles. But Angelton and Dulles were working together on that, because
Angelton was the Chief of Counter-Intelligence and he manned the Vatican Desk,
and he manned the Israeli Desk.

See how they’re maintaining the Zionists in power, with the Israeli Desk? So, they
saved Israel’s hide in the ’73 war, because Kissinger almost lost it for them.
Alexander Haig gave them, the Israelis, those anti-tank missiles, and got them in
their hands before the Egyptians got into Israel and disabled them. That was
Alexander Haig, Knight of Malta, for which reason he was also the Supreme Allied
Commander for NATO, promoted over 260 of his peers.

Martin: Do you know anything about Haig’s statement "I’m in charge now!" Do
you remember that?

Phelps: Yeah, I do. I don’t know all of the implications, but I’m sure it fits in with
him being, in fact, in charge in the Nixon White House.

Martin: Ok, I want to go back to the Kennedy assassination, and I’m going to just
mention some names: Clay Shaw, Jim Garrison, J. Peter Grace, Henry Luce, E.
Howard Hunt, John McCone. Why are they so important to this story?

Phelps: Give me one and we’ll start with one.

Martin: Let’s start with Clay Shaw.

Phelps: Clay Shaw was a Knight of Malta. He was the head of the international
trade mart in New Orleans. Roman Catholic, homosexual, multi-millionaire, lived
lavishly, etc. Clay Shaw was the personal friend of David Ferry. David Ferry was a
CIA agent, and was also a pilot for Carlos Marchello—the CIA and the Mafia
together. Clay Shaw also was a friend of Lee Oswald, and Garrison proves it.

Here we have Clay Shaw, who was in the CIA. It was admitted by Richard Helms
that Clay Shaw was a "contract agent" for the CIA, and the highest security
involved in the Kennedy assassination, because he gets an attorney for Dean
Andrews who’s subpoenaed by Garrison. So, if Clay Shaw is involved, he’s a
Knight of Malta, he’s high CIA, and he can’t go down.

That’s why the court was packed. The judge was biased against Garrison. The
defense of Shaw was unlike any before. There was a guy behind, whispering to the
defense attorney. That’s not allowed in a courtroom defense.

Shaw HAD to be found innocent, because if he was found guilty, now the CIA is
going down. Now we’re going to have a revolution. So, Clay Shaw had to be found
not guilty.
But it wasn’t many years after that, he died under suspicious conditions and never
had an autopsy. He died of lung cancer. But he’s part of the brotherhood, and the
Jesuits are very powerful in New Orleans.

Martin: John McCone.

Phelps: John McCone was a very powerful industrialist, and one who was part of
the military-industrial complex, before he became the head of the CIA. He later
went on to become part of, I believe, ITT.

John McCone was another Knight of Malta, head of the CIA, and participated in
the Kennedy assassination by virtue of him being its head. And he’s Knight of
Malta.

Angelton is a Knight of Malta. Henry Luce is a Knight of Malta. William F.

Buckley is a Knight of Malta. And William F. Buckley then ran the National
Review—and what does he do? He blames Oswald as the lone assassin.

Where was the picture concocted, for Oswald, as though his head is put on this
body that’s not his? It was concocted, probably, I believe, in the Time-
Life Building, when they did that, because Time-Lifehas a whole bunch of CIA
agents in it. And, remember, Time-Life is right across the street from St. Patrick’s
Cathedral, where Cardinal Spellman was ruling from.

So, Spellman was overseeing the whole thing, with Henry Luce. And, if you
get Luce And His Empire, there is a picture in there of Cardinal Spellman, Luce,
Grace, Clare Boothe Luce, and Dean Rusk, on the 1963, 4-year anniversary
of Time magazine in the Waldorf Astoria, only months before the Kennedy
assassination. And there’s Dean Rusk, the architect of the Vietnam War, according
to the words of his own son.

Ok, who’s the other one? Howard Hunt. Howard Hunt is a CIA agent, of course.

He said he was never in Dallas the day of the assassination, but Mark Lane proved
that he was. Thank God for Mark Lane. Here’s another Jew getting in the way of
the Vatican. Just like Daniel Ellsberg—here’s another Jew getting in the way of the
Vatican’s Vietnam War.

You see Jews who are getting in the way of the Vatican, and the Jesuits are furious
about it. So here’s Mark Lane; he’s openly defeated William F. Buckley in court
before; now he proves that Howard Hunt is a CIA agent, in Dallas the day of the
assassination.

The jury came forward with that verdict, and who is Howard Hunt? Howard Hunt
is a personal friend of Henry Luce, a correspondent for Time-Life. He’s a personal
friend of William F. Buckley. He goes to one of Buckley’s parties at the New York
Yacht Club. He knows them both. He knows two of the High Knights.

And guess what? Guess what Howard Hunt is called? He’s called "Knight".
(laughter)

I wonder what he was—Knight of Columbus, or whatever. But he’s involved with

the brotherhood.

So he was there on the day of the assassination, intimate with Luce and Buckley.
Just as the chart says on my web page. And by the way, your readers need to look
at my http://www.vaticanassassins.org/web page.

Martin: I’m going to mention a few more names.

Phelps: Oh, J. Peter Grace we forgot. J. Peter Grace was the head of the Knights of
Malta in 1963. He is the head of W. R. Grace, and he’s one of the largest shipping
tycoons in the world, in control of all the shipping in South America. Grace is a
powerful man, or was a powerful man.

Martin: Has anyone filled his shoes?

Phelps: Yes, Flynn is head of the Knights of Malta now, down in Florida where
there new office is. They moved from New York to Florida, I think Bocca Raton.
They have 11 Knights of Malta on the W. R. Grace board.

And, of course, guess who owns Taco Bell? W. R. Grace.

So now we see W. R. Grace involved in the poisoning of America with fast-food

chains, so everybody gets heart disease, clogged arteries, so they can go to bypass
surgery and further enrich the medical profession, while carrying out their medical
inquisition. Isn’t that clear? So not only are they going to kill all of the American
people, but they’re going to make billions doing it.

Martin: I’m sure they’re laughing all the way to the bank.

Phelps: They sure are. And where Grace did his banking, W. R. Grace, they did
their banking at Chemical Bank in New York. Guess who runs Chemical Bank?
Knights of Malta.

Martin: Jim Garrison was a very brave guy.

Phelps: Yes, he was. He lost his marriage. He lost his children. He suffered greatly
through this, doing what he did.
Martin: Ok, I want to talk about the movie JFK. You mention the Jesuits, in
control of Time-Warner, produced Oliver Stone’s movie JFK. What was the reason
for this? To just further cement, subliminally in the minds of the American people,
their absolute power?

Phelps: I think that might be part of it. But, I think it’s a test. It’s a test: tell the
American people the truth to see what they will do about it. And they did nothing.

And that was the end of Garrison, or Kevin Costner’s speech, in the courtroom,
when he said "It’s up to you." And he looks directly into the camera. So, he’s
looking at us.

That was a call to do something about it. It’s a test. What will we do? And you
know what was done? Nothing. The men in power, the men in the know, the men
who could have said something, did nothing. So that was the purpose of the movie.

Meanwhile, they interweave all these Jesuit subliminals all throughout the movie:
"Black is white, white is black"—when Garrison is at the restaurant, talking to his
people—that’s Ignatius Loyola. David Ferry shows pictures of his Catholic
uniform there, and Satan pictures in his apartment, all very much Jesuitism.

There were a couple of other things I noticed that I can’t quite remember. Oh, they
had a subliminal "study the past". It goes on there, it’s on a building or something,
"study the past". And they said: "It’s like Caesar; he’s not in the loop." Well,
Caesar was murdered by those close to him. And the ones who murdered Caesar
were the priests of Rome. There’s all kinds of subliminals in that movie which
point to the power of the Jesuit Order, all over. The assassination—right after they
take his body out of Parkland Hospital, they’ve got the cross on it, the crucifix.
That is a very unique, Jesuit crucifix.

When I was at a Jesuit retreat in Redding one day, I just wanted to walk through
the place. I wanted to see where these sinners rule from, so I thought I would walk
through the place and check out the rooms. It just so happened that the Jesuits were
on the second floor, by themselves. So I went to the first floor and the third floor,
and looked into the rooms. They were little, tiny rooms, and on every bed is a
crucifix with a crucified person on it. It’s not the Jesus Christ of the Bible; it’s their
Jesus Christ. And that’s the same exact crucifix that was put on the coffin, in the
movie, when they’re shipping the coffin out.

And get a load of this: the guy who came to give Kennedy the Last Rites, Oscar
Hubert, his superior was the Bishop of Dallas, by the name of Thomas Gorman.
Bishop Thomas Gorman was a Knight of Malta, answerable directly to Cardinal
Spellman.
Martin: Let’s talk about Cardinal Spellman. Who was he? Why was he so
important? You say, in the book, he really was the man behind it.

Phelps: Right.

Martin: Why do you say that?

Phelps: Cardinal Spellman was, first, very much involved in politics all of his life.
Remember, he was trained by the Jesuits at Fordham. He was trained by Jesuits at
the American College in Rome. When he came back here, he was taken care of by
Nicholas Brady and his wife, multi-billionaires in control of Union Carbide, and
various banks, multi-multi-billionaires.

Spellman was part of getting FDR into office, although I believe Cardinal Hayes
was the Cardinal. Guess who FDR names as his international agent, during World
War II? Francis Spellman. Francis Spellman was throughout the war-front during
World War II, going to and from the Vatican, the Allied Army, etc. And, with that,
he built a huge network of contacts. He, also, of course, had contacts with the mob.

So, by the time of the Kennedy assassination, we have Cardinal Spellman here,
who helped the Nazis get into the United States, with the FBI.

I met one of those Nazis about 6 months ago. I call him Pete. He showed me his
Nazi SS overcoat, which is a beautiful overcoat—I’d love to have it. And it was the
FBI who brought all of these High Nazis in and resettled them, and gave them
money to settle.

Who did that? Francis Spellman, by helping those criminals escape the theater of
Europe so that they could not be prosecuted. It’s called the "Vatican Ratline" that
Loftus writes about in his Unholy Trinity.

So, Spellman is involved in getting the SS out, helping the Ustashis. Spellman is
involved in this whole second 30 Years War of the Vatican in Europe, outlined by
Edmond Paris in his Vatican Against Europe.

And so, he is in a perfect place to carry out the assassination. He has contacts with
the Knights of Malta in England, with the Knights he controls in America; he has
his Jesuit contacts who trained him at Fordham and Rome; he was a personal
friend of Pius XII during the war.

He was a personal friend of the secret cold-warrior, Montini, Pius VI. So he is the
perfect man, with all of the connections, to carry it out. He has contacts with the
CIA, the Knights from the CIA, the Knights from the FBI, in the person of Carthe
DeLouthe, who still lives. He had contacts with high-level Freemasonry, with
people like J. Edgar Hoover and their raving against Communism, Communism,
Communism—international, Godless, Jew Communism.

He and Hoover are bosom, probably bed, partners. And so, Spellman is in a place
to be in control of the CIA, the FBI, the Mafia, and through Freemasonry, the
Dallas Police Department—like they control every major city’s P.D. And so he
carries it out.

And then he’s also in control of the press, in control of Time and Life, with Henry
Luce, so the press never gets it. He’s in control of CBS, with a man named Frank
Shakespeare, who was the head of CBS at the time.

So you think Walter Cronkite is going to tell us the truth? No way. He’s in control
of CBS, NBC, ABC. They have stocks in it, for heaven’s sake. So, there’s no way
the story’s getting out. And he’s in control of the CIA to hit and kill anybody who
wants to come out and tell the truth, which is why there’s over a hundred dead
witnesses over the last 30 years.

That’s why they took out Fensterwald, in 1992, outlined in the book by that CIA
agent First Hand Knowledge, by Morrow. He was a CIA agent. He was in on the
Kennedy assassination. He completely outlines it in his book, and he tells of that
relationship of the CIA to killing Fensterwald. He dedicates his book to
Fensterwald.

So, how’s it getting out? This is only getting out by fearless preachers, who preach
the Word of God, and aren’t afraid of telling the truth politically, trusting God that
He will move and do His part, now that we’ve done our part.

Martin: FBI Director Hoover, Earl Warren, Gerald Ford, Johnson—Jesuit tools?

Phelps: Jesuit tools. All 33rd-Degree Freemasons. And remember, the Council of

the 33rd Degree is located in Washington. They control all of the Shriners in this
country. Washington is controlled by the Jesuits from Georgetown.

The capital of the United States is at Georgetown University, not the White
House.

And if you go into the president’s office at Georgetown, you will see a picture of
Bill Clinton, kneeling at the grave of Timothy Healy [past president of
Georgetown], while the present president, Donovan, who is on the Walt Disney
Board, is standing behind him.

I wanted that picture; I wanted a copy of that picture. Those people threw me out
of that office. They would not let me have a copy of it. I sent another person, a
lady, up there. They would not give it to her. I want that picture, for my book, of
Bill Clinton kneeling at the grave of these Jesuits. Can’t get it. But if you go in the
president’s office, it’s there.

Georgetown is the capital. They control all Freemasonry. In fact, if you go to

Maryland, they’ve got the great big lodge across from a great big Jesuit institution,
in Baltimore—a great huge Shriner Lodge is across the street from a Jesuit
University. And they’re enemies?

Martin: I want to talk about Bill Clinton in a minute, but before we get to him,
who is Cartha DeLoach?

Phelps: Cartha DeLoach—his sir name was Deke. He was the 3rd-in-command of

the FBI at the time of the Kennedy assassination. Cartha DeLoach was the real
head of the FBI. Hoover was a wimp. His queer buddy, Tolson, who was nothing,
was second in command.

So Hoover and Tolson were just figure-heads. The real head of the FBI was Cartha
DeLoach, the Knight of Malta, Roman Catholic, subject to Cardinal Spellman.

Cartha DeLoach fabricated evidence, covered-up evidence in the FBI, in the

Kennedy assassination. That was proven by Jim Garrison. Cartha DeLoach went
on to retire. He went on to work for a huge industry corporation called PepsiCo,
which the Knights of Malta control, and which have ranches in Communist China,
which they set up. And he still lives.

Cartha DeLoach wrote a book called Hoover’s FBI. You can get it at the
bookstores. In that book he tells about the Secret Service, the FBI, and the Jesuits.

Martin: Why do you refer to the Kennedy assassination as the "Achilles’ Heel" of

the Jesuits?

Phelps: Because, if it’s ever known that the Jesuits killed our first Roman
Catholic President, if the Roman Catholics of Northeastern America ever find
that out, and ever believe it, the Jesuits are finished here.

This country is the keystone to implementing the temporal power of the Pope
around the world. If this country would expel the Jesuits, and we get back our
national sovereignty, and we started to be self-governing once again, we would
have our liberty, and the Jesuits would be out, and we would begin to
experience REAL financial prosperity, and real living.

So, if that is known that the Jesuits are the ones behind it, that Rome carried this
out, the Catholics of the Northeast would have a revolution. We would have
another revolution because American Roman Catholics are not like Catholics in
any other country: they think. They have their own opinion. They believe in
freedom of conscience. They believe they have the right to express themselves.

Catholics in Poland don’t believe that. Catholics in Italy wouldn’t dare believe
that. But the Catholics here do. They have a lot of Protestant principles. They don’t
really comprehend this whole idea of universal, world-wide temporal power of the
Pope. They think it’s just a religion.

But, if those Catholics in New York, if those two million Roman Catholics knew
that Spellman was behind it, and O’Connor has covered it up, we’d have a
revolution! Because it’s the Roman Catholics, unfortunately, who only do anything
about things. The Protestants don’t do anything. They’re all a bunch of wimps, a
bunch of cowards. They don’t do anything.

It’s the Roman Catholics who apparently have built our major cities. They built our
skyscrapers. They’re the great steel workers. They’re the ones, apparently, with the
guts enough to bring about a change. The only problem is, they’re unGodly
because they don’t know the Lord. They don’t read the Bible. They don’t know
Christ. They’re not born-again. If they would get born-again, and come to know
Christ, with their determination and their resistance to tyranny, we’d have another
Reformation. And a lot of people’s heads would be going on trial, and to the block,
for treason.

Martin: I’m going to go back, now. How did the Protocols Of The Learned Elders
Of Zion, authored, according to you, by the Jesuits, further the Jesuit Agenda?

Phelps: Ok. To anwer that, we probably ought to look at the different Protocols.

Now, to my mind, I believe there’s 20 or 30 Protocols; I can’t quite remember. But
the Protocols further the agenda of the Jesuit Order in that Russia would be taken
and, in the fall of Russia, in the Bolshevik Revolution, two major things would
happen: The Romanoff dynasty would be removed. Now, of course, the Czar was
not killed at Ekaterinburg; we know that from the book The File On The Czar. We
know that his daughter died in the state of Virginia [not very long ago]. We know
his son, Alexi, became a member of the KGB, later came to New York, and he put
out what was called The White Paper. The Royal Family was not killed, because
they were Knights of Malta.

So, the Knights of Malta took the Royal Family out, faked their death, and then
after they had taken the Romanoffs out, the Orthodox Church no longer had a
protector, because Church and State are one in Russia.

Now the Jesuits were free, with their Bolsheviks, to kill-off the Orthodox
leadership that was anti-Rome. That’s why they killed 5,000 priests and nuns,
during the revolution, of the Orthodox Church. They just beheaded all the anti-
Catholic, anti-Pope leadership of the Orthodox Church.
They got rid of the Romanoffs, and then the next thing they did, they began to
purge Russia of its Protestants, in general. They purged it of its Lutherans; they
burned down the Lutheran Church; imprisoned the Baptists; sent them off to
Siberia. They even destroyed two Jewish communities during the ’20s, which
we’re not told.

The Jews fared well for 10 years, until the purges of Stalin in the ’30s. But the
Jesuits accomplished the killing-off, the getting rid of the Romanoff dynasty and
their protectorate of the Orthodox Church, the beheading of the Orothodox Church,
so they could bring Orthodox Moscow back to Rome. And remember, Moscow is
considered the "Third Rome". The first is Rome; the second is Constantinople; the
third is Moscow. And you can find this, you can find the Jesuit alliance with the
Bolsheviks in a book called Descent Into Darkness by a priest named Zatko, who
taught at Notre Dame University in the ’60s.

And so the Jesuits were given formal re-entry into Russia in 1922, after the
Bolshevik Revolution and Civil War, and from then on—the Russian College was
erected in Rome in 1929, so they could prepare Russian Jesuits to rule Russia. And
that’s what they’ve done, and they’ve ruled through the KGB, just like they rule
this country through the CIA and the FBI.

The Protocols outline this. Remember, the Protocols were discovered in Russia,

and translated by an Englishman, Marsden. But what it also did—because then
they set-up the huge gulag system, the huge concentration camp system, that gave
the Jesuits practice to do this in Europe.

But their great accomplishment was, in the process of pulling all of this off, they
blamed it on the Jews, and in so doing, justified in the eyes of the European people
the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe—because it’s the Jews who did this
in Russia! The Jews killed all the Christians in Russia! The Jews sent them off to
Siberia! After all, wasn’t Trotsky a Jew? Wasn’t Lenin a Jew? It’s all the Jews! So,
they fell for the bait.

So they blamed it all on the Jews, purged Europe of its Jews, so Europe is
primarily Roman Catholic now. It’s a Roman Catholic block, and it will be the
army of the Anti-Christ, with its European Union.

The Jews, then, were forced out of the nations to Israel. And remember, during
World War II, when the Jews tried to escape and they were desperate to get out of
Germany, do you think Jew-controlled Russia would let the Jews in? If the Jews
really controlled Russia, they could have gone right into Russia. They were not
allowed. Stalin would not allow any Jews to go into Russia. Churchill would not
allow any Jews to go into England. And that criminal, FDR, would not allow any
Jews to come into America. They were not allowed to escape.
They were either to be killed or funneled down through Israel, to be killed by the
Mufti, that was working with the SS, Eichmann. Loftus is right. There is a secret
war against the Jews, and all of the intelligence communities are waging it.

And the Jews don’t perceive it because their Rabbis, the majority of their Rabbis,
are traitors. I talked to a Rabbi in Lancaster County and I told him to look out for
the Jesuit Order. He says "Oh, they’re some of my best friends!" Well, that
explains it. The Rabbis betray their own people at the hand of these inquisitors.
And that’s what they did in World War II, and they’re going to do it here.

Martin: Let’s talk about Garfield and McKinley. Why were they assassinated?

Phelps: I think Garfield was assassinated on a monetary issue; he was resisting the
banking plans of the Jesuits. He was a radical, red Republican, too, you know, so
they got rid of their own. I’m not familiar with all of the details. All I know is
Burke McCarty in the book The Suppressed Truth About The Assassination Of
Lincoln named McKinley and Garfield as other victims of the Jesuit Order. And
had the Lincoln assassination been solved, that would never have happened. The
other important issue is that Garfield was a Freemason. So, they assassinate their
own Freemasons, when they want to.

Martin: Going back to Lincoln, who was John Surratt?

Phelps: John Surratt was the young man, 20 years old, who called time outside of
Ford’s Theater. He was mastermind of the assassination. John Surratt was helped
by the priests of Washington to escape Washington, went up into Canada, was
taken care of and housed by the priests, by the Bishop of Montreal, and then he
was ferried across the ocean in The Peruvian, in a steamer called The Peruvian,
and he went to, I believe, Ireland, then into England, then he went to Rome, to the
Pope’s Vatican there. He joined the Zouave army, and he was stationed in
Alexandria, Egypt, until he was found and arrested.

In 1867, he was brought back and stood trial in Washington. There a woman was
involved in the picking of the jury, and a High Roman Catholic was put on it. And
because it’s no murder to kill a heretic, the jury was hung in the first trial and
Surratt went free. And he was also free in the second trial, because there were two
trials. He died in 1914, I believe, at the age of 72, and they gave him, of course, a
very, very, pompous funeral, a High Requiem Mass that are usually only given for
priests and nuns. Evidently, he deserved it.

Of course, John Wilkes Booth, he was never killed. Corbett never killed Booth in
the barn. Booth escaped Washington with a password, according to Finis Bates’
work The Escape And Suicide Of John Wilkes Booth. He escaped to Kansas, and
on his death bed confessed to his physician that he was John Wilkes Booth who
shot Lincoln. And he escaped with the help of a Masonic password. So just like
there was a patsy for the Lincoln assassination, there was a patsy for the Kennedy
assassination.

Martin: Why is April 15th so significant?

Phelps: (laughter) Well, April 15 was the day that Lincoln called out troops on the
South. It was the day that Lincoln died. He was shot on the 14th and died on the
15th. It’s the day that the Titanic was sunk. And it’s the day all
the 14th Amendment citizens of this empire, like the good serfs that they are, go to
confession once a year and confess to the government with their tax returns.
Beware the Ides of April. (laughter)

Martin: Let’s talk about the Cold War. Why did that come about?

Phelps: We had the end of World War II. We had the purging of the Jews and the
Protestants, for the most part. The British Empire was destroyed, it’s wrecked,
which was essentially the empire that the Gospel went to China with. Modern
missions were founded on the British Empire.

So, that Protestant Empire, even though it was controlled by Rome, was done. We
have America in huge financial debt, out of isolationism. We have a Russia that’s
taken over by the Jesuits, through Joseph Stalin. Of course, the great beneficiary of
World War II was Russia—Russia was the only country that won. But the Jesuits
are not finished with their purgings and their installings of dictators loyal to the
Pope, around the world. I mean, they pretty much have South America. They pretty
much have Africa. But they don’t have the East, and the Orthodox nations, and the
Buddhist nations.

So, the purpose of the Cold War was to kill millions of these heretic, orthodox
Buddhists, and to install in their country dictators that will carry out the
Inquisition, who are loyal to the Pope.

One of those dictators was Joseph Stalin. And he was given the nuclear device in
1943 by the U.S. government, by the U.S. army. And you can find that in The
Unseen Hand by Ralph Epperson. He did a lot of good documentation.

So, they gave him the bomb. I shouldn’t call it "the bomb" because they gave him
the nuclear device so that he could detonate it and create the illusion that Russia
now has nuclear capability, when a wheel-barrow was a great invention in Russia.

I mean, the Russian soldiers, when they went into Germany and they found toilets,
they were dipping their bread in the toilets and eating their bread out of toilets. In
Russia they were just savages. They didn’t have technology; they had nothing. All
the technology they ever got was given by Vatican-controlled Western
corporations, whose inventors were Protestants.
So, the Cold War has to continue under Stalin. And we have to divide up the world
into two factions, so we’re going to put Roman Catholic NATO on one side, and
we’re going to put Communist-controlled Warsaw Pact on the other.

But in the process of so doing, they put Protestant East Germany under
Communism to purge the Protestants of East Germany out of the country. That’s
why they sent them to Siberia. They put Protestant-Lutheran Latvia, Lithuania, and
Estonia under Communism, so they deported them all to Siberia. They put the
Mennonites of Russia further under Communism, deporting them to Siberia. They
deported the Baptists of Russia to Siberia, because they could only do—wimpy,
gimpy, powerless, Russian army that it was—we could easily have beat it into the
ground, if it had not been financed and supported and built by Henry Ford and
Western corporations.

So, wimpy, gimpy Russia has this nuclear device, right? And oh, if we decide to go
to war with Russia, well, we might get bombed! There’s mutual, assured
destruction. So to keep that from happening, we won’t fight ’em, and we’ll let
them purge the world of all its Protestants. That’s the purpose of the Cold War.

The Cold War then went into China, and the U.S. 7th Fleet, according to the Birch
Society, and they’re right about this, blocked Chiang Kai-Shek from being able to
go into China and take over the country. So, Mao Se-Dung could get in control, get
in power, and then carry out his inquisition against the land owners, against the
Buddhists, against all the Protestant missionaries who were in China—just like the
good Jesuit pawn that he was.

And, of course, the intimidation idea was that you can’t go to China—why, there’s
millions of people there! Meanwhile, the Japanese whipped the Chinese to death in
their war with China, when the Japanese went in. The Chinese had no technology.
They had no organized army. They were easy to beat.

But the idea we were sold was: Oh no—China is a great, powerful nation, and now
they even have the bomb! Stalin gave them a bomb, so we can’t fight them
anymore. So we won’t do anything to them, while they’re murdering 50 million
people. And remember the "baby-boomers" of the United States, we would have
fought the world. We would have rid the world of tyranny, had we had leadership
that would have led us to that. But we had this farce, called the nuclear, mutual
assured destruction. We had this farce called the dropping of the bombs at
Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Whatever it was, it wasn’t dropping nuclear bombs—and
Edwin Corley does a pretty good job in his The Jesus Factor, in trying to tell you
what else it was.

And so, we have this nonsense Cold War, which enables Rome to put up all their
dictators, their Communist dictators, all of them loyal to the Pope—including Ho
Chi Minh. Ho Chi Minh had a secret deal with Pope John XXIII, and he was under
the advice of a Roman Catholic Bishop all throughout the war.

The purpose of the Cold War was to carry out the Council of Trent, and to tie the
hands of the American Protestants; and it was also used to unite the Protestants and
Catholics of America against Communism. Protestants and Catholics should unite
on nothing. We are different. The Catholics have a final authority—that’s the Pope.
The Baptists and Protestants should have a final authority—that’s theBible. We
don’t unite on anything. We don’t agree on anything. We don’t agree on America’s
national purpose, so we don’t unite. We’re not uniting with abortion; we’re not
uniting with Communism; we don’t unite against the Black or the Civil Rights
Movement.

You see, all these things were used to unite Catholics and Protestants together here,
so that, ultimately, Rome would be in control of all the Protestant denominations
through the National Council of Churches and the Royal Council of Churches. And
that’s what they got. They took Princeton; they took Dartmouth College. All the
great Protestant Universities are now in the hands of the Masons and the Jesuits.
Harvard has a Jesuit House. They’re controlled. And so, wherever they control
education, they control the politics. And they control the education in China,
Russia, all the Communist countries. Now that they have all of the dictators
installed all throughout the world, they don’t need the Cold War anymore. So now
they can proceed with their next agenda, and that’s the unification of Europe, the
building up of Russia, and the destruction of the Western Empire. And that’s their
next agenda.

Martin: How do you see that unfolding?

Phelps: What’s that?

Martin: The destruction of the Western Empire.

Phelps: As far as the actions of overthrowing the government and having a

tyranny, is that what you mean?

Martin: Right. What do you see life like here in the next 5 or 10 years?

Phelps: It’s hard to put a date on it; it’s hard to put a year on it. But I would say
it’s going to continually become more and more a matter of "central power" in
Washington. You’re going to have less and less power in the Congress. And one of
these days, the Congress is going to be closed. And all we’re going to have is a
Commander-in-Chief. We’re going to have some form of absolutism, with the
President becoming now a dictator.

Martin: Do you think George Bush, Jr. will be that person?

Phelps: He could be. I won’t say he will be, but he could be. It will be someone
like him—with complete allegiance to Rome, just like his father. His grandfather
helped set up the CFR. His uncle is a Knight of Malta. It will be someone like him.

And he WILL be the next President. They’ve already chosen him in the College of
Cardinals. Everything else is a show. Jesuit-trained Buchanan is a show. Roman
Catholic McCain is a show. The Black Roman Catholic Keyes is a show, although
he tickles me. He advocates abolition of the 14th Amendment. If that happens, what
are the Black people going to do? They’re not citizens; they have no rights! Dred
Scott comes into play. He’s a fake.

So, what I see is more and more centralization of power in the hands of the
President. The Supreme Court is just a rubber stamp. He becomes the king. The
courts are nothing more than the courts of the king’s bench. The Federal Reserve
Bank will remain in power. Everything will be monitored and controlled by
Washington, unless some of God’s men start trusting God and get in control of the
state and cause it to secede. The only answer to this is state secession, leaving this
Union—it’s not a Union, it’s an Empire—leaving the Empire that began in 1868,
assuming national sovereignty, once again. And the first state that would do this,
I’m moving there. Because I don’t want to see the FBI anymore. I don’t want to
see the CIA. I don’t want to see any of these national bureaucracies anymore.

Martin: Montana seems close. Arizona seems close.

Phelps: Well, when they do it, I’ll move there. But that’s what would happen if
things continue as they are. We’ll have race war. We’re going to have the Moslems
fighting the Klu Klux Klan. Whites siding with the Whites; the Blacks siding with
the Blacks. It’s going to be a blood-bath everywhere. And that will justify Martial
Law, and the military, and the whole nine yards, and also foreign occupation;
we’re going to have that too. And you know how foreigners are in a foreign
country. They rape the women. They couldn’t care less about the social strata of
the country. They have no mercy on the people. They have a foreign tongue. And
that’s what they’ll do. And that’s all the more reason for a state to secede.

I’ve advocated that Pennsylvania should secede for the last 15 years. We have our
own deep-water ports; we have our own agriculture; we have our own heavy
industry; we have coal; we have everything we need to be a sovereign nation. We
don’t need this Empire anymore. The only problem is, Pennsylvania is
COMPLETELY controlled by the Jesuits.

Every major city is under their control. And so, the place is slated for destruction—
all the Mennonite and Amish counties of Southeastern Pennsylvania. Everything
else is Catholic: Pittsburgh, Scranton, Philadelphia, Harrisburg—all Roman
Catholic. The Roman Catholic people, too, will also be sacrificed. They will be
killed too. Let them not think that they’re going to be delivered because the Jesuits
run the show. According to the Jesuit Molina, in the tape I just sent you, it is lawful
to kill—and they will kill as many Roman Catholics as necessary to bring this plan
to fruition.

Martin: Define the Jesuit term: Universal Absolutism.

Phelps: Define it? That means worldwide, universal, over every nation,

absolute power. Absolutism is their great doctrine, that absolute power
resides in the hands of the General. He is limited by no constitution. He is
limited by no law.

This is the Great Doctrine of Divine Right, the Divine Right of Kings that was
so fought against by the Calvinists. We Bible-believing Calvinists believe in
the Rule of Law. The Law is king. Rutherford’s "Lex Rex". The Jesuits
believe the king is the law—Louis XIV: "I am the law". So, it’s going to be a
universal, world-wide king who, himself, is the law. All authority will be in
him, as he rules the world from Jerusalem, as the Beast.

Martin: Are we talking about the present Pope, or are we talking about Count von
Kolvenbach?

Phelps: I’m saying that what’s in position now will ultimately bring in the future
Pope, whoever he is, and whatever it may be, as a Universal Absolutist—the
Universal Monarch of the World, in Jerusalem.

Martin: Symbolic? Or you’re saying literal?

Phelps: I’m saying that will literally happen. There will be a Pope, who will be
killed; he will receive a mortal wound. And this is going to happen in the 70th
week of Daniel. He will receive a mortal wound, according to Revelation 13.

This is the Beast, and he will come back to life. He comes back to life, mid-trip, at
the very time that Satan and his angels are cast out of Heaven by Michael and his
angels. At this time, Satan goes and he indwells the Beast, this Pope. Now he
comes back to life, just like Christ. He was dead; now he’s resurrected.

And what is he going to do? He’s going to destroy the Catholic Church. He’s going
to destroy the Vatican; and he’s going to go down in Jerusalem and demand to be
worshipped as God, for three and a half years.

That’s why the Vatican is indestructible. No one can destroy the Vatican. All the
armies in the world couldn’t destroy it. It has been determined that it will be
destroyed by the Anti-Christ. And he, alone, can do it.
That’s why, when the Yugoslavians wanted to mount an air attack against the
Vatican in World War II, a bunch of clouds came over the airport and they couldn’t
take off, because they were going to bomb the Vatican. The world will not allow
that to happen. The Vatican will only be destroyed by the man of sin, the Beast, the
coming Universal Monarch, the ex-Universal Pope.

The Vatican has the most extensive library in the world, the most priceless and
extensive library. It goes for miles, underground, in the Vatican.

Martin: Wouldn’t you love to go in there.

Phelps: I would love to. Talk about finding sunken treasure.

Martin: We’ve almost covered it. I almost don’t want to dilute this conversation
with the FDA and AMA. Let’s talk about them just briefly.

Phelps: Ok. World War II, produced of course by Rome, caused the Nazi
experiments on the people in the concentration camps—the Jews, the Gypsies, the
Socialists, primarily the Jews. But they experimented with things like fluoride.
They experimented with things like EDTA chelation, which is THE treatment of
choice for anybody with heart disease. They experimented with poisons. They
experimented with surgeries. They experimented with all kinds of things on these
people. They also experimented with vaccinations and immunizations.

There’s a book called The Nazi Doctors. Everything that was learned by them was
integrated into the American Medical Association, after the war. That’s why we all
have our municipal water supplies fluoridated. That’s why they’re all chlorinated,
because chlorine decreases oxygen, and therefore causes cancer, because cancer
grows in an anaerobic state—it’s a virus, converting cells into mutants that are
anaerobic.

Ok. All of Europe is using ozone to clean their water supplies. Here they use
chlorine. They want us with cancer. And how do we get cancer? With the
vaccinations and immunizations, where they inject us with live viruses, like the
hepatitis vaccine—every one of them has the HIV virus, SV-40.

What they’re doing is what they learned in Nazi Germany. They implemented here
and they continue their research in the CIA. There’s a two-tape set called The CIA
And The Virus Makers which show how the CIA helped to create the HIV virus
and various other viruses. They get into Robert Gallo, the world’s foremost
virologist.

Robert Gallo is a Jesuit. He’s a Roman Catholic, Italian, the world’s foremost
virologist—and yet not controlled by the Brotherhood, by the Company?
Ridiculous. He’s under their control! He’s doing all the research, and he doesn’t
want to be blamed for it—as the WONDERFUL Jew, Len Horowitz, proved.
Again, we’ve got Jews getting in the way—Jews blowing their cover.

Martin: I’ve interviewed Len many times. He’s a very courageous guy.

Phelps: Great guy. And he’s right on target. And he hits the Knights of Malta in
his book Emerging Viruses: AIDS & Ebola. He was a great encouragement to me
when I saw him do that, when I read his book.

So, hey, let’s just take it the whole way. Let’s just go right to the Jesuit Order. And
what the Jesuits did with the Cold War, with their Inquisition in the East, they
carry out with their war on the American people in the West, with their Medical
Inquisition—cut, burn, and drug. And that’s what it is.

Personally, I have my own home where I use ozone oxygen. I use ultraviolet blood
irradiation. I can show you how ultraviolet blood irradiation incapacitates Lupus. It
destroys Hepatitis. It destroys Meningitis. It destroys HIV.

This is a very simple procedure; I do it every day. It can easily be done by any
medical doctor, and they won’t do it. Because, when you kill off the virus, you
don’t have the diseases. You are thwarting what they wanted to do with their
vaccinations and immunizations.

That’s why they want to make a law. That’s why that filthy Ted Kennedy, that
Knight of Columbus, wants all these vaccinations and immunizations—when it
should be a religious tenet of everyone: "It’s against my religious convictions to
put foreign pathogens into my bloodstream. It’s going to make me sick by the time
I’m 40. It’s going to give me plaque build-up and heart-disease. I’m not going to
do it."

In the meantime, they’re suppressing all the things that reverse it: soft lasers,
hyperbaric chambers, ultraviolet blood irradiation, oxygen ozone, north-pole
magnetic therapy. All the things working together that would easily reverse it, they
suppress, and consider it a crime. Make sense?

Martin: Rife technology.

Phelps: When I was in the office of my friend, William, in Maryland, he told me

that he had a guy from NSA [National Security Agency] come in and talk to him
about his blood irradiation, and told him: "I think that it would be wise for you to
stop this."

Now, this guy who runs the clinic there in Maryland is an ex-Navy Seal. He’s no
pushover. So he says to the NSA guy: "Well, why do you say that?"
And the NSA guy said: "You know how Royal Rife died? We put poison on his
tooth-brush."

This guy was from NSA. So, that was a threat. Well, now, some people get scared,
and some people get upset, angry. William is one of those guy who gets upset and
angry, and it furthers him that much harder.

So, mysteriously, the head of the Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation Foundation died,
about 3 or 4 months ago, in his apartment, with no autopsy. So they almost
destroyed the foundation, but now he is in the process of securing capital—and he
will, I’m sure, very shortly, and it’s going to be untouchable. The machines will be
put out and it will have UVC and UVA to do the blood, and we’re going to kill-off
all the viruses in the bloodstream. And we’re going to teach the medical doctors
how to do it. We’ll provide the machines for them. And we’re going to end this
tyranny. And we’ll also educate them—no more vaccinations and immunizations.

There are only two things I’m a member of in this country: one is the national anti-
vaccine society, and the other is Gun Owner’s of America. Those are the only two
organizations that are really worth supporting. If you get the vaccinations away
from the people, they’re not going to be sick. And if you maintain guns in the
hands of the people, they can still use them against the tyrants. And if they go to
church and read the Bible, they’ll have all the spiritual zest and zeal to do it.

Martin: We haven’t even talked about Nikola Tesla in this conversation.

Phelps: Yeah. He was deliberately thwarted by the FBI, all his papers stolen in
1943. J.P. Morgan destroyed him. J.P. Morgan was one of the kingpins in the
Titanic sinking.

Nikola Tesla was a wonderful man. He came here for freedom. He was a Serbian
Orthodox—a curse to Rome. The father of A.C. current. He developed a whole
system of Universal Power, that we would need no coal or any of that. So, one of
my other goals is to perfect the electromagnetic motor. When my book gets out,
then I will be working with some men in perfecting electromagnetic motors, and
they will be out, without a patent, privately.

Martin: We’re just about there. Let’s talk about Bill Clinton. How do you see Bill
Clinton in relationship to the Jesuits? And how do you see Al Gore? What can our
readers glean from what you’re saying about their power base?

Phelps: Well, we must remember: where did Bill Clinton come from? How did he
become Governor? His father was a powerful political figure, because his mother
was nothing. So, he came from nothing to being something, through some
powerful political figure, probably the Kennedys.
It’s rumored that John Kennedy was his father; could be. In any event, Clinton was
trained by the Jesuits of Georgetown. He was the class president of his junior year,
I believe. His senior year, he was not re-elected because the student body said he
was "too close to the Jesuit faculty".

So, he was groomed by the Jesuits to be a powerful political leader. He was put in
place in Arkansas, runs that scam there, while he’s Governor, in the drug trade,
belonging to Rome, working with Reagan in the drug trade, and Bush. Then he’s
made President.

Remember the picture of him at Georgetown, kneeling at the grave of Timothy

Healy? That says it all. He is the complete and total pawn of the Jesuit Order ruling
from Georgetown University. He does anything they want him to do. He hasn’t
resisted a thing.

That’s why he’s untouchable. He can commit any crime. He can do any act of evil,
and never be prosecuted, because they’ll call on traitors like Arlen Spector to
vindicate him. And, of course, Arlen Spector was Spelly’s Jew in the Kennedy
assassination—evil, wicked, lifetime Senator from Pennsylvania, which shows me
that there are no elections anymore. Nobody voted for Arlen Spector who I know.
He’s a gun-grabber. So, they made him a life-time Senator. They made Teddy
Kennedy a lifetime Senator.

Bill Clinton is completely at their beck and call. He will get out of office. He will
live happily ever after, unless he starts talking. If he starts talking, he’s done. He is
NOT a Baptist. He is loyal to the Jesuit Order.

Martin: Ok, let’s talk about God and His Agenda.

Phelps: As I understand the Bible, I believe we are in what’s called the

Dispensation of Grace. I’m a dispensationalist. Now, there are those who say that
dispensationalism was a brain-child of the Jesuits. Could be, could be Jesuits were
involved with that. But I believe the Bible teaches this, because God deals with
men in different ways, at different times.

He commands Abraham to sacrifice a lamb, but not me. We don’t do that now. He
commands Noah to build an ark. We don’t do that now. He commands Moses to
receive the Law of Sinai. We’re not under the Law; it’s for the Nation of Israel. He
commanded his son to announce that the Davidic kingdom was ready to be
established on Earth—repent, for the Kingdom is at hand. The Kingdom, promised
to David, is about to be established, and that’s why they called him Son of David.

And now we live in the Dispensation of Grace, called the present Evil Age,
of Galations, Chapter 1:4, and the Dispensation of Grace of Ephesians, Chapter
3. During this particular period of time, this stewardship, the Gospel says that the
Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of our world; he was buried and rose again.

And God commands all men, everywhere, to repent and believe on His name that
they might be saved. But there is no other name under Heaven whereby we must
be saved, save the name of Jesus. During this time, this good news of forgiveness
of sin and free pardon, and we can be with the Lord for eternity, is going to every
nation, Jews and Gentile. And during this Dispensation of Grace, Jews and
Gentiles are regarded as one, in the body of Christ, when they’re saved.

Now, according to Romans, Chapter 11, there is what is called the "fullness of the
Gentiles". There is a fullness that is a predetermined amount of people who are
going to be saved. We call them "the elect". We call ourselves the elect of the
Lord.

Now when that elect, that predetermined number, is saved, then God will begin to
deal with the nations and Israel, once again. And that will begin, according
to Daniel, Chapter 9, when the Prince shall come, shall confirm a covenant with
many for one week. That is the 70th week of Daniel. The first 69 weeks have been
fulfilled, from the decree, to rebuilding Jerusalem, to Messiah the Prince, the day
Christ declared himself the Messiah of Israel, was 69 weeks of years. After that the
Messiah would be cut-off, and Jerusalem would be destroyed. That is the gap
between the 69th and the 70th week. The temple is not destroyed; the city is not
destroyed; the Messiah is not cut-off, during the 69th or the 70th week. There’s a
gap between those two weeks, and that gap has gone to nearly 2,000 years. In the
year 2032, it will be 2,000 years. Because Christ was crucified in 32 A.D.

Ok, during this dispensation, God is saving Jews and Gentiles out of all nations
and placing them in the body of Christ, by the power of His Holy Spirit, as the
Gospels preached. When the predetermined number comes to fruition, then the
Lord will take out his Bible-believing church, and everybody else is left to go
through what is called "the time of Jacob’s trouble", in the Book of Jeremiah, or
the Great Day of the Lord—the 7-year tribulation, talked about in the Book of
Revelation, Chapter 4-19.

That 7-year tribulation will be when the Lord begins to judge this world for its
rejection of the Messiah, and for their sins, having not been taken care of, not
having been saved; although there will be many people saved during this time.

The Jews will be tremendously persecuted. The vast majority of them will be
murdered, and there will be a remnant who will repent at the end of the
Tribulation, at which time the Messiah will come and they will look upon him,
whom they pierced, and weep because they will realize that the one who is going
to save them from all these Gentile armies pouring into Israel, is the very one they
crucified.
When the Lord Jesus destroys all the Gentile armies, he will then set up the
Davidic Kingdom that he came to set up—the born-again nation of Israel.

Can a nation be born in a day? Isaiah, Chapter 66—they will be born-again, they

will inherit all the promises, and Christ will sit down in the Kingdom with
Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, just like he talked about, and he will eat the fruit of
vine again. Because he said: "I will not eat this henceforth, til ye say, ‘Blessed is he
that come in the name of the Lord’ until I eat it anew with you in the Kingdom."
Then he will drink wine; he will eat the fruit of the vine; he will break bread; and
he will be Messiah, King of the World at that time, ruling the world from
Jerusalem.

So, what we have coming is more unbelief, more persecution, less faith, less
manhood, less guts, and we have more persecution from the Jesuit Order, more
monetary control. We have another scenario of the World Government, under the
Pope from Jerusalem, and that’s what the Jesuits want. And, ultimately, God in His
providence, has allowed for 42 months for that to happen: 1260 days.

So that’s what I see coming. But what I believe is, I don’t believe that the doctrine
of the coming Anti-Christ should be used as fatalism—that we should: "Well,
that’s coming, so we can’t do anything about it. The bastards are coming to take us
out."

That’s an excuse to cowardice. We need to do our duty. We need to resist evil in

ourselves and around us, and as long as we have breath. And part of resisting that
evil is resisting the Jesuit Order. It’s resisting anti-Christian tyranny. It’s resisting
absolutism. It’s resisting criminals who are in your government.

We have a civil responsibility, and that’s to make sure government punishes evil
and rewards good. And when it doesn’t punish evil anymore, it’s no government.
We don’t know allegiance to it anymore. We withdraw our allegiance, and we
assume our own sovereign power.

And that’s exactly what the Covenanters did with Scotland when they withdrew
their allegiance from, what was it, King James II, or Charles II; they withdrew their
allegiance and the English settled there and, ultimately, many of those
Covenanters were killed. But in the glorious Revolution of 1688, they got
their liberty.

Another thing is, all these men—they want to win right now. They want to do
something and experience the win. We have no guarantee of that. Why not just say
the way it is, resist the tyranny, and if we get killed in the process, then praise God
—I mean, isn’t Heaven a little better than this place? What’s the big fear? All these
men do not know the Lord, as far as trusting Him in the midst of a storm. They’re
full of fear; they’re full of terror; and they’re all afraid to die.
So, hopefully, with the true preaching of the Gospel—and ultimately there will be
some preachers who will arise who will encourage us to do right and not fear
death, and to resist these powers of evil—hopefully that will begin to change and
there will be men who will call for secession, and states will begin to leave this
Union, like Chechnya, and these others, and then the Lord will intervene for us.

If we honor Him, He’ll honor us. If we fight for His causes, He’ll bless us. And we
need to stop looking at the odds. We’ve always been outnumbered. We’ve always
been outgunned. And that’s the way God likes it, because then, when we win,
obviously He did it.

So that’s what I see for the future, and I see there’s a great vacuum right now that
needs to be filled. And it can be filled with the men of God telling the truth, or it
can be filled with Jesuits advocating everybody give-up, lay down their guns, and
submit to this New World Order, under the Pope.

The question is: What are YOU, dear reader, going to do?

Editor’s note: Eric Jon Phelps’ book Vatican Assassins will likely be available

through Wisdom Books & Press (see Back Page) after August 1. We will provide
specific information about cost, etc., in an upcoming issue of The
SPECTRUM when it is closer to the date of availability.

***

Please note that Rick Martin’s new email address is rm888@mindspring.com for

any comments you may wish to direct his way.

***

The following are direct excerpts from the forthcoming book by Eric Jon Phelps
called Vatican Assassins.
 

The Jesuits – 1540

Their Purpose And Oath

The purpose of the Jesuit Order, formally established by the Pope in 1540, is to
destroy the Protestant Reformation. They call it the Counter-Reformation. Nicolini
of Rome wrote:

"The Jesuits, by their very calling, by the very essence of their institution, are
bound to seek, by every means, right or wrong, the destruction of Protestantism.
This is the condition of their existence, the duty they must fulfill, or cease to be
Jesuits." [Footprints of the Jesuits, R. W. Thompson, 1894]

Extract from Jesuit’s Oath

To this end the professed Jesuits have obligated themselves with an oath, part of
which was published in 1899, and reads:

"I do now renounce and disown my allegiance as due to any heretical King, Prince
or State, named Protestant, or liberals, or obedience to any of their laws or
magistrates or officers.

"I do further declare that the doctrine of the churches of England and Scotland, of
the Calvinists, Huguenots, and other of the name Protestant or Liberals, to be
damnable, and they themselves to be damned who will not forsake the same.

"I do further declare that I will help, assist and advise all or any of His Holiness’
agents, in any place where I shall be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Denmark,
Sweden, Norway, England, Ireland or America, or in any other kingdom or
territory I shall come to, and do my utmost to extirpate the heretical Protestant or
liberal doctrines, and to destroy all their pretended powers, legal or otherwise."
[Errors of the Roman Catholic Church, 15 Contributors, 1894]
 

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In 1981, one of our heroes, Alberto Rivera, disclosed the oath he took as a
professed Jesuit. We read:

Ceremony Of Induction And

Extreme Oath Of The Jesuits

(Given to a Jesuit of minor rank when he is to be elevated to a position of

command.)

Superior Speaks:

"My son, heretofore you have been taught to act the dissembler among the Roman
Catholics to be a Roman Catholic, and to be a spy even among your own brethren:
to believe no man, to trust no man. Among the reformers, to be a reformer; among
the Huguenots (French Protestants) to be a Huguenot: among the Calvinists, to be a
Calvinist: among the Protestants (those who protest and disagree with the Roman
Catholic institution), generally to be a Protestant: and obtaining their confidence to
seek even to preach from their pulpits, and to denounce with all the vehemence
(violent emotion) in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope; and even to
descend so low as to become a Jew among the Jews, that you might be enabled to
gather together all information for the benefit of your order as a faithful soldier of
the Pope.

"You have been taught to insidiously plant the seeds of jealously and hatred
between states that were at peace, and incite them to deeds of blood, involving
them in war with each other, and to create revolutions and civil wars in
communities, provinces and countries that were independent and prosperous,
cultivating the arts and the sciences and enjoying the blessings of peace;

"To take sides with the combatants and to act secretly in concert with your brother
Jesuit who might be engaged on the other side, but openly opposed to that with
which you might be connected;

"Only that the church might be the gainer in the end in the conditions fixed in the
treaties for peace, and that the ends justify the means.

"You have been taught your duty as a spy, to gather all statistics, facts and
information in your power from every source: to ingratiate yourself into the
confidence of the family circle of Protestants and heretics of every class and
character, as well as that of the merchant, the banker, the lawyer, among the
schools and universities, in parliament and legislatures, and in the judiciaries and
councils of State, and to ‘be all things to all men’, for the Pope’s sake, whose
servants we are unto death.

"You have received all your instructions heretofore as a novice (one who has no
training), a neophyte (a newly ordained priest), and have served as a coadjutor
(worked as a helper), confessor and priest, but you have not yet been invested with
all that is necessary to command in the army of Loyola and in the service of the
Pope.

"You must serve the proper time as the instrument and executioner as directed by
your superiors; for none can command here who has not consecrated (made secret
or holy) his labors with the blood of the heretic; for ‘without the shedding of blood
no man can be saved.’

"I, _____, now, in the presence of Almighty God, the blessed Virgin Mary, the
blessed Michael the Archangel, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the Holy Apostles,
St. Peter and St. Paul and all the saints and sacred hosts of heaven....

"I, furthermore, promise and declare that I will, when opportunity presents, make
and wage relentless war, secretly and openly, against all heretics, Protestants and
Liberals, as I am directed to do.

"That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup,
the strangulation cord, the steel of the poniard (a dagger) or the leaden bullet,
regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons,
whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time
may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or superior of the brotherhood of
the holy faith, of the Society of Jesus." [Double-Cross: Alberto, Part 2, 1981]
 

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In addition to the Oath, the Jesuits have a guidebook entitled Secreta Monita. To

the author’s knowledge it has only been disclosed to the world twice: once in the
1600s and once in the 1800s. Because of the magnitude of its contents as it relates
to our subject, The Secret Instructions Of The Jesuits (1857) is reprinted in its
entirety [in Vatican Assassins].

[Due to the length of this material, we here at The SPECTRUM will only present a
few excerpts and chapter headings, but this should be sufficient to give you a pretty
good idea of what is contained within them. For the full presentation, refer
to Vatican Assassins. The portions your are about to read have not, to our
knowledge, been printed in any modern-day newspaper.

What you are about to read, The Secret Instructions Of The Jesuits, was first
published in 1669 by the venerable and learned Dr. Compton, Bishop of London.
In Vatican Assassins we read:]

His arguments on their authenticity, and his character as a scholar and divine, are a
sufficient guarantee that he would never have given his name and influence to
sustain a work of dubious authority, or calculated to mislead the public.

We have only to add that the last American edition, published at Princeton, and
this one which we publish, are taken from the translation which was published in
London in 1723, and dedicated to Sir Robert Walpole, who was afterwards Lord
Orford, and who had the high honor of being prime minister of George I and
George II.

THE SECRET INSTRUCTIONS

OF THE JESUITS

 
 

Chapter 1: How the Society must behave themselves when they begin any new
foundation.

V. At their first settlement, let our members be cautious of purchasing lands; but if
they happen to buy such as are well situated, let this be done in the name of some
faithful and trusty friend. And that our poverty may be the more colorable gloss of
reality, let the purchases, adjacent to the places wherein our colleges are founded,
be assigned by the provincial to colleges at a distance; by which means it will be
impossible that princes and magistrates can ever attain to a certain knowledge what
the revenues of the Society amount to.

VI. Let no places be pitched upon by any of our members for founding a college
but opulent cities; the end of the Society being the imitation of our blessed Saviour,
who made his principal residence in the metropolis of Judea, and only transiently
visited the less remarkable places.

VII. Let the greatest sums be always extorted from widows, by frequent
remonstrations of our extreme necessities.

VIII. In every province, let none but the principal be fully apprised of the real
value of our revenues; and let what is contained in the treasury of Rome be always
kept as an inviolable secret.

Chapter II: In what manner the Society must deport, that they may work
themselves into, and after that preserve a familiarity with princes, noblemen,
and persons of greatest distinction.

I. Princes, and persons of distinction every where, must by all means be so

managed that we may have their ear, and that will easily secure their hearts; by
which way of proceeding, all persons will become our creatures, and no one will
dare to give the Society the least disquiet or opposition.

II. That ecclesiastical persons gain a great footing in the favor of princes and
noblemen, by winking at their vices, and putting a favorable construction on
whatever they do amiss, experience convinces; and this we may observe in their
contracting of marriages with their near relations and kindred, or the like. It must
be our business to encourage such, whose inclination lies this way, by leading them
up in hopes, that through our assistance they may easily obtain a dispensation from
the Pope; and no doubt he will readily grant it, if proper reason be urged, paralleled
cases produced, and opinions quoted which countenance such actions, when the
common good of mankind, and the greater advancement of God’s glory, which are
the only end and design of the society, are pretended to be the sole motives to
them.
V. Above all, due care must be taken to curry favor with the minions and
domestics of princes and noblemen; whom by small presents, and many offices of
piety, we may so far byass, (bias) as by means of them to get a faithful intelligence
of the bent of their master’s humors and inclinations; thus will the Society be better
qualified to chime in with their tempers.

VII. Princesses and ladies of quality are easily to be gained by the influence of the
woman of their bed-chamber; for which reason we must by all means pay
particular address to these, for thereby there will be no secrets in the family but
what we shall have fully disclosed to us.

XV. Finally,—Let all with such artfulness gain the ascendant over princes,
noblemen, and magistrates of every place, that they may be ready at our beck, even
to sacrifice their nearest relations and most intimate friends, when we say it is for
our interest and advantage.

Chapter III: How the Society must behave themselves towards those who are
at the helm of affairs, and others who, although they be not rich, are
nothwithstanding in a capacity of being otherwise serviceable.

I. All that has been before mentioned, may, in a great measure, be applied to these;
and we must also be industrious to procure their favor against every one that
oppose us.

II. Their authority and wisdom must be courted for obtaining several offices to be
discharged by us; we must also make a handle of their advice with respect to the
contempt of riches; though at the same time, if their secrecy and faith may be
depended on, we may privately make use of their names in amassing temporal
goods for the benefit of the Society.

Chapter IV: The chief things to be recommended to preachers and confessors

of noblemen.

VI. Immediately upon the death of any person of post, let them take timely care to
get some friend of our Society preferred in his room; but this must be cloaked with
such cunning and management as to avoid giving the least suspicion of our
intending to usurp the prince’s authority; for this reason (as has been already said)
we ourselves must not appear in it, but make a handle of the artifice of some
faithful friends for effecting our designs, whose power may screen them from the
envy which might otherwise fall heavier upon the Society.

Chapter V: What kind of conduct must be observed towards such religious

persons as are employed in the same ecclesiastical functions with us.
Chapter VI: Of proper methods for inducing rich widows to be liberal to our
Society.

I. For the managing of this affair, let such members only be chosen as are advanced
in age, of a lively complexion and agreeable conversation; let these frequently visit
such widows, and the minute they begin to show any affection towards our order,
then is the time to lay before them the good works and merits of the society. If they
seem kindly to give ear to this, and begin to visit our churches, we must by all
means take care to provide them confessors by whom they may be well
admonished, especially to a constant perseverance in their state of widowhood, and
this, by enumerating and praising the advantages and felicity of a single life: and
let them pawn their faiths, and themselves too, as a security that a firm continuance
in such a pious resolution will infallibly purchase an eternal merit, and prove a
most effectual means of escaping the otherwise certain pains of purgatory.

IV. Care must be taken to remove such servants particularly as do not keep a good
understanding with the Society; but let this be done by little and little; and when
we have managed to work them out, let such be recommended as already are, or
willingly would become our creatures; thus shall we dive into every secret, and
have a finger in every affair transacted in the family.

Chapter VII: How such widows are to be secured, and in what manner their
effects are to be disposed of.

I. They are perpetually to be pressed to a perseverance in their devotion and good

works, in such manner, that no week pass in which they do not, of their own
accord, lay somewhat apart out of their abundance for the honor of Christ, the
blessed Virgin, or their patron saint; and let them dispose of it in relief of the poor,
or in beautifying of churches, till they are entirely stripped of their superfluous
stores and unnecessary riches.

XIII. Let the confessors take diligent care to prevent such widows as are their
penitents, from visiting ecclesiastics of other orders, or entering into familiarity
with them, under any pretence whatsoever; for which end, let them, at proper
opportunities, cry up the Society as infinitely superior to all other orders; of the
greatest service in the church of God, and of greater authority with the Pope, and
all princes; and that it is the most perfect in itself, in that it discards all persons
offensive or unqualified, from its community, and therefore is purified from that
scum and dregs with which these monks are infected, who, generally speaking, are
a set of men unlearned, stupid, and slothful, negligent of their duty, and slaves to
their bellies.

XIV. Let the confessors propose to them, and endeavor to persuade them to pay
small pensions and contributions towards the yearly support of colleges and
professed houses, but especially of the professed house at Rome; not let them
forget the ornaments of churches, tapers, wine, and things necessary in the
celebration of the sacrifice of mass.

XV. If any widow does in her life-time make over her whole estate to the Society;
whenever opportunity offers, but especially when she is seized with sickness, or in
danger of life, let some take care to represent to her the poverty of the greatest
number of our colleges, whereof many just erected have hardly as yet any
foundation; engage her, by a winning behavior and inducing arguments, to such a
liberality as (you must persuade her) will lay a certain foundation for her eternal
happiness.

XVI. The same art must be used with princes and other benefactors; for they must
be wrought up to a belief, that these are the only acts which will perpetuate their
memories in this world, and secure them eternal glory in the next.

Chapter VIII: How widows are to be treated, that they may embrace religion,
or a devoted life.

Chapter IX: Of increasing the revenues of our Colleges.

XV. Let the confessors be constant in visiting the sick, but especially such as are
thought to be in danger; and that the ecclesiastics and members of other orders may
be discarded with a good pretence, let the superiors take care that when the
confessor is obliged to withdraw, others may immediately succeed, and keep up
the sick person in his good resolutions. At this time it may be advisable to move
him by apprehensions of hell, and at least of purgatory; and tell him, that as fire is
quenched by water, so sin is extinguished by acts of charity; and that alms can
never be better bestowed than for the nourishment and support of such who by
their calling profess a desire to promote the salvation of their neighbor.

XVI. Lastly, let the women who complain of the vices of ill-humor of their
husbands, be instructed secretly to withdraw a sum of money, that by making an
offering thereof to God, they may expiate the crimes of their sinful help-mates, and
secure a pardon for them.

Chapter X. Of the private rigor of discipline in the Society.

Chapter XI. How our members are unanimously to behave towards those who
are expelled from the Society.

I. Since those that are dismissed, do frequently very much prejudice the Society by
divulging such secrets as they have been privy to; their attempts must therefore be
obviated in the following manner. Let them be prevailed upon, before they are
dismissed, to give it under their hands, and swear that they never will, directly or
indirectly, either write or speak any thing to the disadvantage of the Order; and let
the superiors keep upon record the evil inclinations, failings and vices, which they,
according to the custom of the Society, for discharge of their consciences, formerly
confessed: this, if ever they give us occasion, may be produced by the Society, to
the nobility and prelates, as a very good handle to prevent their promotion.

VIII. Let the misfortunes, and unlucky accidents which happen to them, be
immediately published; but with entreaties for the prayers of good Christians, that
the world may not think we are hurried away by passion: but, among our members,
let these things, by all means, be represented in the blackest colors, that the rest
may be the better secured.

Chapter XII. Who should be kept, and favored in the Society.

Chapter XIII. How to pick out young men to be admitted into the Society, and
in what manner to retain them.

V. Let them be allured, by little presents, and indulgence of liberties agreeable to

their age; and, above all, let their affections be warmed with spiritual discourses.

VI. Let it be inculcated, that their being chosen out of such a number, rather than
any of their fellow-collegiates, is a most pregnant instance of divine appointment.

VII. On other occasions, but especially in exhortations, let them be terrified with
denunciations of eternal punishment, unless they accept of the heavenly invitation.

VIII. The more earnestly they desire admission into our Society, the longer let the
grant of such favor be deferred, provided at the same time they seem steadfast in
their resolution; but if their minds appear to be wavering, let all proper methods be
used for the immediate firing of them.

Chapter XIV. Of reserved cases, and causes of dismission from the Society.

Chapter XV. Of our conduct towards nuns and female devotees.

[It is noted in the pre-publication copy of Vatican Assassins from which these

excerpts are being extracted that one of the pages is missing from this section of
the instructions.]

Chapter XVII. Of the methods of advancing the Society.

I. Let our members chiefly endeavor at this, always to act with humanity, even in
things of trifling moment; or at least to have the outward appearance of doing so;
for by this means, whatever confusions may arise in the world, the Society of
necessity will always increase and maintain its ground.

VII. The favor of the nobility and superior clergy, once got, our next aim must be
to draw all cures and canonships into our possession, for the more complete
reformation of the clergy, who wheretofore lived under certain regulation of their
bishops, and made considerable advances towards perfection. And lastly, let us
aspire to abbacies and bishoprics, the obtaining which, when vacancies happen,
will very easily be effected, considering the supineness and stupidity of the monks;
for it would entirely tend to the benefit of the church, that all bishoprics, and even
the apostolical see, should be hooked into our hands, especially should his holiness
ever become a temporal prince over all. Wherefore, let no methods be untried, with
cunning and privacy, by degrees, to increase the worldly interests of the Society,
and then, no doubt, a golden age will go hand in hand with an universal and lasting
peace, and the divine blessing of consequence attend the catholic church.

VIII. But if our hopes in this should be blasted, and since offences of necessity will
come, our political schemes must be cunningly varied, according to the different
posture of the times; and princes, our intimates, whom we can influence to follow
our councils, must be pushed on to embroil themselves in vigorous wars one with
another, to the end, our Society (as promoters of the universal good of the world,)
may on all hands be solicited to contribute its assistance, and always employed in
being mediators of public dissensions; by this means the chief benefices and
preferments in the church will, of course be given to us by way of compensation
for our services.

IX. Finally, the Society must endeavor to effect this at least, that having got the
favor and authority of princes, those who do not love them at least fear them.

***

JESUIT POWER

 
The Society of Jesus was thenceforth recognized as the chief opposing force of
Protestantism. The Order became dominant in determining the plans and policy of
the Rowish Church. The brotherhood grew and flourished. It planted its chapters
first in France, Italy and Spain, and then in all civilized lands. The success of the
Order was phenomenal. It became a power in the world. It sent out its
representatives to every quarter of the globe. Its solitary apostles were seen
shadowing the thrones of Europe. They sought, by every means known to human
ingenuity, to establish and confirm the tottering fabric of Rome, and to undermine
the rising fabric of Protestantism. They penetrated to the Indus and the Ganges.
They traversed the deserts of Thibet, and said, "Here am I," in the streets of
Peking. They looked down into the silver mines of Peru, and knelt in prayer on the
shores of Lake Superior. To know all secrets, fathom all design, penetrate all
intrigues, prevail in all counsels, rise above all diplomacy, and master the human
race, — such was their purpose and ambition. They wound about human society in
every part of the habitable earth, the noiseless creepers of their ever-growing plot
to retake the world for the Church, and to subdue and conquer and extinguish the
last remnant of opposition to her dominion from shore to shore, from the rivers to
the ends of the earth." [Ridpath’s Universal History, John Clarke Ridpath, 1899]

***

The Jesuits are the true authors of socialist-communism. The economic system of
the Dark Ages was feudalism consisting of the few rich landowners and the many
poor peasants. It was a sin to make a profit by anyone other than the feudal lords.
Thus, if the world is to be returned to the Dark Ages, the Protestant middle class
must be destroyed. Socialist-communism accomplishes this, having yielded its
bitter fruit in both Great Britain and the United States. The great deception is that
the Jews are the authors of communism. (After all, is not Zionism Jewish
communism?) The facts are that the Jesuits used their Masonic Jews to introduce it
in 1848 and again in 1917 with the Bolshevik Revolution.

The Jesuits then moved their Shriner Freemason FDR to recognize Russia’s bloody
government in 1933. The Jesuits then financed Russian communism with their
Knights of Malta on Wall Street. This enabled Joseph Stalin to carry out the purges
of the Thirties.

Having deceived the world into believing communism was of Jewish origin, the
Jesuits then used Hitler to implement "the Final Solution to the Jewish Question"—
pursuant to the evil Council of Trent. The result was the mass murder of European
and Russian Jewry at the hands of the Jesuit-controlled SS.

At the close of the Second Thirty Years War (1945) the Jesuits, with their Vatican
Ratline, helped top Nazis to escape to South America. And where in South
America? To the old dominion where socialist-communism had been perfected by
the Jesuit fathers—to the nation of Paraguay.

The Jesuits entered Paraguay in the early 1600s, sent by the kings of Spain and
Portugal. They established their supremacy over the natives called "Guarani
Indians" and did not allow them to mix with the Spanish or Portuguese. It was
among this people that the Jesuits established their communes called "reductions".

***

THE JESUITS — 1776

The Jesuits, now formally suppressed by the Pope, were allied with Frederick the
Great of Prussia and Catherine of Russia. The Jesuit General was in control of
Scottish Rite Freemasonry and now sought an alliance with the Masonic House of
Rothschild in England. To accomplish this he chose a Jesuit who was Jewish by
race—Adam Weishaupt. Weishaupt was a brilliant instructor of Canon Law—the
evil Council of Trent—at a Jesuit university in Bavaria. We read:

"From the Jesuit College of Ingolstadt is said to have issued the sect known as ‘the
Illuminati of Bavaria’ founded by Adam Weishaupt. Its nominal founder, however,
seems to have played a subordinate though conspicuous role in the organization of
this sect." [Occult Theocracy, Lady Queenborough, originally published in 1933]

On May 1, 1776, the Order of the Illuminati was officially founded in the old Jesuit
stronghold of Bavaria. The Company would now use the Jewish House of
Rothschild to finance the French Revolution and the rise of Napoleon the
Freemason with his Jesuit-trained advisor, Abbe Sieyes. In spite of the historical
writings of the Jesuit Abbe Barruel, who blamed the Rothschilds and Freemasonry
for the Revolution, it was the Society of Jesus that used these very tools to carry
out the Revolution and punish the monarchs who dared to expel the Jesuits from
their dominions. The Jesuits, having been expelled from the Spanish Empire, found
refuge in Corsica. From there they raised up their great avenger, Napoleon
Bonaparte.

***

Lately, it was George Washington who was so beloved by France’s General

Lafayette. During the Revolution our great chieftain took the "boy General" under
his wing for which cause the Frenchman named his eldest son, George Washington
Lafayette. With this same endearing love the Roman Catholic Lafayette warned:

"It is my opinion that if the liberties of this country, the United States of America,
are destroyed, it will be by the subtlety of the Roman Catholic Jesuit priests, for
they are the most crafty, dangerous enemies of civil and religious liberty. They
have instigated most of the wars of Europe."

***

Napoleon was captured by the English and banished to the island of St.
Helena. There, his Memoirs were written which accurately described his
masters, the Jesuits:

"The Jesuits are a military organization, not a religious order. There chief is a
general of an army, not the mere father abbot of a monastery. And the aim of
this organization is: POWER. Power in its most despotic exercise. Absolute
power, universal power, power to control the world by the volition of a single
man. Jesuitism is the most absolute of despotisms: and at the same time the
greatest and most enormous of abuses....

"The general of the Jesuits insists on being master, sovereign, over the
sovereign. Wherever the Jesuits are admitted they will be masters, cost what it
may. Their society is by nature dictatorial, and therefore it is the
irreconcilable enemy of all constituted authority. Every act, every crime,
however atrocious, is a meritorious work, if committed for the interest of the
Society of the Jesuits, or by the order of the general." [Fifty Years In The
Church Of Rome, Charles Chiniquy, 1968, reprinted from the 1886 edition,
quoting Memorial Of The Captivity Of Napolean At St. Helena, General
Montholon]

***

The Knights of Malta and the Jesuits work together!

(Truth seeker, this may seem irrelevant now, but it is important for you to be aware
of this connection. As we shall see, the Knights financed Lenin and Hitler from
Wall Street, also using their Federal Reserve Bank headed by Masonic Jews,
Warburg in particular.) The Knights negotiated the Concordat (a Papal treaty)
between the Pope and Hitler in the person of Franz Von Papen. They also helped
top Nazis to escape to North and South America after World War II in the persons
of James Angleton and Argentina’s President Juan Peron.

In America, the Knights, with their OSS, later the CIA, were behind "Operation
Paperclip". After World War II, top Nazis and scientists were illegally secreted
into the United States. Many were placed in the top-secret military installation in
Tonapah, Nevada known as "Area 51". The perfection of the Nazis’ anti-gravity
aircraft (flying saucers) was to be completed there, among other secret
technologies. "Operation Paperclip" was overseen by America’s most powerful
Knight of Malta, J. Peter Grace. J. Peter Grace was subject to the Jesuit-trained
Archbishop Spellman, as the American headquarters for the Knights was and is St.
Patrick’s Cathedral in New York.

***

1816 – JOHN ADAMS

 

Our founding Fathers knew of the Jesuit intrigue directed at the new Protestant
Republic of these United States of America. In 1816, John Adams wrote to
President Jefferson:

"Shall we not have regular swarms of them here, in as many disguises as only a
king of the gypsies can assume, dressed as painters, publishers, writers, and
schoolmasters? If ever there was a body of men who merited eternal damnation on
Earth and in Hell it is this Society of Loyola’s." [The New Jesuits, George Riemer,
1971]

***

PRESIDENT ABRAHAM LINCOLN

A personal friend of Professor Morse believed his warning of this Jesuit

conspiracy. He was President Abraham Lincoln. We read:

"The Protestants of both the North and South would surely unite to exterminate the
priests and the Jesuits, if they could learn how the priests, the nuns, and the monks,
which daily land on our shores, under the pretext of preaching their religion...are
nothing else but the emissaries of the Pope, of Napoleon III, and the other despots
of Europe, to undermine our institutions, alienate the hearts of our people from
our Constitution, and our laws, destroy our schools, and prepare a reign of anarchy
here as they have done in Ireland, in Mexico, in Spain, and wherever there are any
people who want to be free." [Fifty Years In The Church Of Rome, Charles
Chiniquy, 1968, reprinted from the 1886 edition]

***
 

The Jesuits — 1868-1872

This new nation would be a centralized republic with the President exercising
powers of an absolute monarch. The old Federal Republic of Washington would be
converted into a huge centralized Empire, with the ten planks of the
Masonic Communist Manifesto replacing the Ten Commandments of Moses.

In order to accomplish this, the Constitution had to be amended—"by hook or by

crook". It would be amended in accordance with the Masonic cry of both French
Revolutions. "Liberty" would be theThirteenth Amendment. "Equality" would be
the Fourteenth Amendment. "Fraternity" would be the Fifteenth Amendment. We
now will examine the Fourteenth Amendment, as it was the coup d’etat.

***

THE ASSASSINATION

OF PRESIDENT LINCOLN

Even thought he acted the tyrant in keeping Maryland from seceding and raised the
Army of the Potomac to "put down the rebellion", there is evidence that he had a
change of heart. Accordingly to many, Lincoln was converted to Christ after
viewing the battlefield at Gettysburg. He later joined the Presbyterian Church in
Washington and had several spiritual conversations with his close friend and
converted priest, Charles Chiniquy. We read:

"I will repeat to you what I said at Urbana, when for the first time you told me your
fears lest I would be assassinated by the Jesuits: Man must not care where and
when he will die, provided he dies at the post of honor and duty. But I may add,
today, that I have a presentiment that God will call me to Him through the hand of
an assassin. Let His will, and not mine, be done! The Pope and the Jesuits, with
their infernal Inquisition, are the only organized powers in the world which have
recourse to the dagger of the assassin to murder those whom they cannot convince
with their arguments or conquer with the sword.... It seems to me that the Lord
wants today, as He wanted in the days of Moses, another victim.... I cannot conceal
from you that my impression is that I am that victim. So many plots have already
been made against my life, that it is a real miracle that they have failed, when we
consider that the great majority of them were in the hands of skillful Roman
Catholic murderers, evidently trained by Jesuits. But can we expect that God will
make a perpetual miracle to save my life? I believe not. The Jesuits are so expert in
those deeds of blood, that Henry IV said that it was impossible to escape them, and
he became their victim, though he did all that could be done to protect himself. My
escape from their hands, since the letter of the Pope to Jeff Davis has sharpened a
million daggers to pierce my breast, would be more than a miracle." [Fifty Years In
The Church Of Rome, Charles Chiniquy, 1958, originally published in 1886]

[Further along:]

Of the Jesuit hand in Lincoln’s murder we read:

"I feel safe in stating that nowhere else can be found in one book the connected
presentation of the story leading up to the death of Abraham Lincoln, which was
instigated by the "black" pope, the General of the Jesuit Order, camouflaged by the
"white" pope, Pius IX, aided, abetted and financed by other "Divine Righters" of
Europe, and finally consummated by the Roman Hierarchy and their paid agents in
this country and French Canada on "Good Friday" night, April 14, 1865, at Ford’s
Theatre, Washington, D.C." [The Suppressed Truth About The Assassination Of
Abraham Lincoln, Burke McCarty, 1973, originally published in 1924]

***

 
 

THE JESUITS — 1945-1990

The Great and Terrible Second Thirty Years’ War was now over. Europe, Russia,
North Africa, China, and Japan were "a universal wreck" thanks to the Company of
Jesus. Millions of "heretics" had been "extirpated" pursuant to the Jesuit Oath and
the Council of Trent. Unlike the Treaty of Westphalia ending the First Thirty
Years’ War, the agents of the Jesuits controlled the negotiations at Yalta and
Potsdam ending the second Thirty Years’ War.

It was time to apply the Jesuits’ Hegelian Dialectic worldwide. It would be known
as "the Cold War". The thesis and antithesis would be "the Free World in the
West" verses "the Communist Block in the East". The American Empire would
head the West, and the Russian Empire would lead the East. Both sides would be
financed by the Jesuits’ International Banking Cartel centered in London and New
York—the Federal Reserve and Chase-Manhattan Banks in particular.

The synthesis would be the destruction of the American Empire through the so-
called "ending of the Cold War". The illusion of ending the Cold War would
legally enable Rome’s Corporate Monopolies, federated together in New York City
under the leadership of the Council on Foreign Relations, to give Russia and China
high technology and financial backing. The giving of these necessities would
perfect the War Machines of both economically communist and politically fascist
giants for the purpose of invading North America, it containing the majority of the
world’s Protestants, Baptists, and Jews. It is for these reasons that the financial
might of Hong Kong was given to Red China, along with an American Naval Base
in Long Beach, California. It is for these reasons that the Panama Canal, built with
American blood, sweat, tears and Yellow Fever, was given away to Panama to be
manned by Chinese soldiers imperiling the American navy. It is for these reasons
that the Jesuits in control of Washington have established nationwide gun
registration for the purpose of nationwide gun confiscation just as they did in
Hitler’s Germany. It is for these reasons that the Jesuits, with their international
corporations managed by the Knights of Malta, have financed and continue to
build both the Russian and Chinese War Machines, while influencing American
Presidents to close down scores of military installations across the country. These
facts spell invasion—massive invasion by millions of foreign soldiers, with no God
and no mercy. And if the Jesuits can manage to blow-up the Dome of the Rock in
Jerusalem and blame the American Empire for it, the Arabs will declare a holy war
against "the great Satan". The private wealth of Americans using International
Business Corporations with bank accounts in the Bahamas will be seized just as
they were in Castro’s Cuba. (The Knights have moved all their wealth into
European banks denominated in Franks and Marks as well as Eurodollars, thereby
escaping the coming American economic catastrophe.)

Meanwhile, as the Jesuits, with their American dictator’s internal police (FEMA)
and foreign invaders, are "extirpating" "the execrable race" of American "heretics"
and "liberals", the European nations will be driven to lay down their historic
differences and unify.

This unification will restore the Holy Roman Empire, for which reason the Jesuits
are rapidly rebuilding Rome. When the smoke clears, China will control the East,
Russia will control the North, and a unified R.C. [Roman Catholic] Europe will
control the West. The Pope’s International Intelligence Community will see to it
that Jerusalem is declared an international city with Solomon’s rebuilt Temple in
her midst. World government will ensue and the Jesuits’ "blessed despotism" of
the Dark Ages will have arrived, with the Pope being the Universal Despot of the
World, so appropriately described in the Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion, while
being the World Authority of The Documents Of Vatican II.

***

The Jesuits — 1963

THE ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY

"It is of faith that the Pope has the right of deposing heretical and rebel kings.
Monarchs so deposed by the Pope are converted into notorious tyrants, and may be
killed by the first who can reach them.
"If the public cause cannot meet with its defense in the death of a tyrant, it is
lawful for the first who arrives, to assassinate him." [Defensio Didei, Jesuit Suarez,
Book VI. C 4, Nos. 13, 14]

Freed remembers what apparently passes for polite conversation when men such as
Colby and Cline get together. "It was quite bizzare" Freed said, "for the subject
they chose was, ‘When is it acceptable to assassinate a head of state?’ Colby
presented what he said was a theological and philosophically sound approach. The
Catholic Church, he said, had long since wrestled with this question and had, to
Colby’s mind, emerged with a sound concept: "It is acceptable" he said, "to
assassinate a tyrant." [Plausible Denial, Mark Lane, 1991, p. 85]

"A conspiracy is rarely, if ever, proved by positive testimony. When a crime of

high magnitude is about to be perpetrated by a combination of individuals, they do
not act openly, but covertly and secretly. The purpose formed is known only to
those who enter into it. Unless one of the original conspirators betray his
companions and give evidence against them, their guilt can be proved only by
circumstantial evidence...and circumstances can not lie." [Special Judge Advocate
John A. Bingham, quoted in The Trial Of The Conspirators, Washington, 1865]

This chapter will examine the forest, not the trees. The hundreds of works covering
the assassination can be reduced to a few simple facts. These facts viewed in the
context of the previous chapters lead us to the "Lion" in his "Den of Iniquity" that
had the power to execute Kennedy’s murder and successfully cover it up. That
Lion was the Cardinal of New York and his Den of Iniquity was St. Patricks’
Cathedral, "the Little Vatican", and home base of the American Branch of the
Knights of Malta. From the death of Cardinal Spellman in 1967 until now (1999),
the succeeding "Lions" having kept the assassination covered-up were: Cardinal
Cooke (himself a Knight of Malta) and Cardinal O’Connor, a former Navy
Chaplain during Spellman’s Vietnam War, and presently the Archbishop of New
York.

Knowing that President Kennedy was not going to escalate the Vietnam War, the
Intelligence Community began to prepare for his assassination. Roman Catholic
Lee Oswald was chosen to be a patsy.... As a CIA agent, he had been sent to Soviet
Russia by Allen Dulles in 1959, supposedly as a defector. Knowing that the CIA
(OSS) and the KGB (NKVD) had worked together during WW-II, Oswald
apparently took a vacation for nearly two years. During that time he married a
Russian whose uncle was a Colonel in the KGB.

When he returned to the American Empire in 1962, he associated with CIA agents
Howard Hunt, Frank Sturgis, David Ferrie, Guy Banister, Count George
DeMohrenschildt, and Clay Shaw. Oswald was CIA, and related to a Jesuit.
Emannuel Josephson tells us:

"An interesting angle is presented by the Lee Oswald involvement. His cousin is
reported to be a Jesuit priest. And it is a matter of record that Lee Oswald was
invited to address the Jesuit college in Springhill, Alabama, on the subject of his
activities, two weeks before the Kennedy Assassination. The Jesuit involvement
closely parallels that in the Lincoln Assassination." [The Federal Reserve
Conspiracy And Rockefellers, Emanuel M. Josephson, 1968]

Jim Garrison clearly proved the CIA was involved in the assassination through
Clay Shaw. He writes:

"...we discovered Shaw’s extensive international role as an employee of the CIA.

Shaw’s secret life as an Agency man in Rome, trying to bring Fascism back to
Italy, was exposed in articles in the Italian press.... To me among the most
significant revelations were...the confirmation by both Victor Marchetti and
Richard Helms that Clay Shaw had been an agent of the Central Intelligence
Agency." [On The Trail Of The Assassins, Jim Garrison, 1991]

And who was the Director of the CIA in 1963? It was Knight of Malta John
McCone. Prior to that McCone had been a defense contractor who had formally
headed the Atomic Energy Commission. Later in 1970, he was a board member of
ITT while remaining a CIA consultant. Marchetti tells us:

"[The] ITT board member who later admitted to a Senate investigative committee
that he had played the key role in bringing together CIA and ITT officials was John
McCone, director of the CIA during the Kennedy administration and, in 1970, a
CIA consultant." [The CIA And The Cult Of Intelligence, Victor Marchetti, 1975]

Cardinal Spellman’s soldier, John McCone, Director of the CIA, participated in the
Kennedy assassination.

Jim Garrison and others have proved that the FBI was also involved in the
assassination. He writes:

"I already had concluded that parts of the local Dallas law enforcement
establishment were probably implicated in the assassination or its cover-up. But
now I saw that the highly respected FBI was implicated as well." [On The Trail Of
The Assassins, Jim Garrison, 1991]

Cardinal Spellman had two agents in the FBI. The first was the Shriner Freemason
and brother-Cold Warrior, J. Edgar Hoover. According to Loftus, Hoover had
cooperated with the Vatican Ratlines resettling Nazi war criminals in the
Northeast. Why would he not cooperate with Spellman now? How could he refuse?
More importantly, Spellman’s key man in the FBI was Knight of Malta, Cartha
DeLoach. As the third in command, DeLoach was in a position to supervise the
assassination and suppress evidence. Garrison proved DeLoach did in fact suppress
evidence.

After the assassination we see a telling relationship between Johnson and

DeLoach. DeLoach was known as Johnson’s man in the FBI and the President
would call him any time of the day. Curt Gentry writes:

"Lyndon Johnson couldn’t sleep. Late at night he had his aide, Marvin Watson,
telehone the DeLoach bedroom. The president had suddenly become convinced
that the murder of his predecessor had been a conspiracy and wanted more
information from the FBI." [J. Edgar Hoover: The Man And The Secrets, Curt
Gentry, 1991]

This is the Cartha DeLoach who had signed a five-year contract with Lee Iacocca’s
Ford Mercury in connection with the series, "The FBI". Both DeLoach and Iacocca
were Knights of Malta, subject to Cardinal Spellman during the Kennedy
assassination. Later DeLoach went on to be a director of PepsiCo. And according
to Col. Prouty, that company also participated in Kennedy’s assassination. We
read:

"Nixon was in Dallas with a top executive of the Pepsi-Cola Company, Mr. Harvey
Russel, the general counsel. Nixon was a legal counsel to that corporation. That top
executive’s son has told of Nixon’s presence in Dallas at the time of the
assassination, and Russell has confirmed the accuracy of his son’s account. Later,
sometime after the shooting, Nixon was driven to the Dallas airport by a Mr.
DeLuca, also an official of the Pepsi-Cola Company. In addition, the son of
another Pepsi-Cola executive was in Dallas at that time and had dinner with Jack
Ruby, Oswald’s killer, the night before JFK was murdered." [JFK: The CIA,
Vietnam, And The Plot To Assassinate John F. Kennedy, Col. L. Fletcher Prouty,
1992]

DeLoach, Iacocca, and the Knights of Pepsi, now PepsiCo, all worked together.

At the time of the assassination in Dallas, the Catholic priest, Oscar Shubert, was
sent from Holy Trinity Catholic Church in Dallas to administer "Last Rites" for the
President. Knowing that Kennedy’s wounds were wounds of entry, he reported
everything to his superior. Shubert’s superior was the Bishop of Dallas, then The
Most Reverend Thomas Kiely Gorman, DD. According to Martin Lee’s article
entitled "Who Are The Knights Of Malta?" appearing in the October 14, 1983
edition of the National Catholic Reporter, Thomas K. Gorman was a Knight of
Malta. Being a brother Knight he reported directly to Cardinal Spellman, and kept
him appraised of what was happening in Dallas.
At the time of the assassination in Dallas, roughly 12:30 P.M. in the afternoon, all
the telephones went dead in Washington, D.C. for about 30 minutes. How could
this have happened? Someone at ITT had to be responsible, as it served the
Washington area. In 1963, one of the VIPs of ITT was Francis D. Flanagan. You
guessed it. Flanagan was a Knight. Later, McCone, with his brother knights,
coordinated a deal between the CIA and ITT to better work together.

The author knows there were several Knights of Columbus involved in the
Kennedy assassination. They were working for the FBI in particular. But the only
notable Knight who was involved was Senator Edward Kennedy in that, through
his silence, he was consenting to his brother’s murder. Maybe this is what has
driven the perpetual Senator from Massachusetts to his ruined alcoholic life. Let us
take a few moments to pray for the Senator that he might have a change of heart,
that he would tell all, and that we might protect him. For he too was subject to the
power of Cardinal Spellman.

Lastly we know that the Mafia was involved in the Kennedy assassination. The
Mafia, CIA, FBI, and Office of Naval Intelligence has been working together
throughout World War II. Jack Ruby was a mafioso and David E. Scheim makes it
perfectly clear in his Contract On America that the Mob had at least two motives:
the Kennedy brothers assault on Organized Crime and the loss of the Mob’s
gambling paradise in Cuba.

But those were not the reasons. The Mafia Dons were promised that they would
make more money than Havana could ever produce, through the explosion of the
international drug trade made possible by the Vietnam War. If they helped
eliminate Kennedy, Johnson would escalate the war and, thereby, the drug trade.
The CIA would bring the drugs in from the Golden Triangle, distribute them to the
Mafia families, and both would profit.

More importantly, the Mafia’s Commission had a favor to repay. Cardinal

Spellman, through FDR, had arranged the release of "Lucky" Luciano because of
"Operation Underworld" mentioned in the previous chapter. Now the Cardinal
needed a favor. If refused, Spellman could use the entire intelligence community
which he had helped to organize, to eliminate any mob boss. If agreed to, new
gambling centers would open up, Atlantic City in particular.

Clearly, if the President was removed, everybody would acquire more power and
wealth, the intelligence community would become more absolute, and the Cardinal
would be even more respected by his peers in Rome. The rest is history.

Later, in 1964, for the first time in history, the Pope of Rome set foot
in Fourteenth Amendment America. Cardinal Spellman had performed well and
was rewarded by a visit from his Master, fellow Cold Warrior and Vatican Ratline
handler, Cardinal Montini, who was now Pope Paul VI.
There is yet another reason for the removal of President Kennedy. He wanted to
arm Israel. Loftus writes:

"In September 1962 Kennedy decided to supply Israel with defensive ground-to-air
missiles capable of stopping aircraft, but not the Egyptian offensive missiles. It
was the first arms sale by the U.S. Government to Israel.... Kennedy promised the
Israelis that as soon as the 1964 election was over, he would break the CIA ‘into a
thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds’.... With Kennedy’s assassination in
November 1963, the Israelis lost the best friend they had in the White House since
Truman departed." [The Secret War Against The Jews, John Loftus, 1994]

And why did the Vatican’s Jesuits not want any arms sales to Israel at this time?
Why did the Jesuit-controlled President Johnson turn his back as the Egyptian
army moved up through the Sinai desert to prepare its assault on Israel in 1967?
Because the attack upon Israel had to be provoked. That attack was provoked by
the Jesuits’ International Intelligence Community through Egypt falsely perceiving
the weakness of the Israeli army and the supposed abandonment of Israel by the
American Empire.

The six-day war, engineered by Knight of Malta James Angleton, had one primary
purpose: the taking of Jesusalem along with the Temple Mount. The apparent lack
of military hardware on the part of Israel provoked the planned attack by Egypt.
Therefore, Israel launched a preemptive strike and, in six days, the holy city was in
the hands of Rome’s Zionist government.

Had Kennedy armed Israel, the Egyptians would never have been emboldened to
maneuver for war. With no provoked war, there would have been no Israeli attack.
With no Israeli attack, Jerusalem would never have been taken by the Zionists,
controlled by the Jesuits’ Mossad. With Jerusalem in Arab hands, the Zionists
could never rebuild Solomon’s Temple—unbeknown to them—for the Jesuits’
"infallible" Pope "Who opposeth and exalted himself above all that is called God,
or that is worshiped; so he is God sitteth in the temple of God [Solomon’s rebuilt
temple], showing himself that he is God." [II Thes 2:4]

It is safe to say that the Jesuit General, using the Pope with his most powerful
Cardinal in the American Empire, assassinated President John F. Kennedy in 1963.

For it was Cardinal Spellman, "the American Pope" in command of his soldiers,
the Knights of Malta, who oversaw the assassination.

And it was the Knights of Malta, using the Central Intelligence Agency, who aided
in the actual assassination of the President. Those Knights were: CIA Director,
John McCone, CIA officers William F. Buckley, and Henry Luce.
In 1963, both William F. Buckley and Henry Luce were personal friends of CIA
agent Howard Hunt. We read from Mark Lane’s Plausible Denial on page 270,
concerning Time and Life magazines, of which Henry Luce was the owner:

"I (Howard Hunt) had them typed up on a typewriter (fabricated official cables),
and they were xeroxed, and the xeroxes were eventually shown to a person of Mr.
(Charles) Colson’s confidence, and inTime and Life." Hunt, after swearing that he
had never been involved in a disinformation effort to embarrass Kennedy, had now
testified that he had merely sought to doctor and create evidence to prove that
Kennedy was a murderer.

Again in Plausible Denial we read of Hunt’s connection with pompous William F.

Buckley, Jr. on page 207:

"(G. Gordon) Liddy completed his testimony perfectly, stating that while he no
longer associated with Hunt, he did see him last, he recalled, when both men
demonstrated their support for another former CIA officer, William F. Buckley, as
Buckley celebrated the anniversary of his television show at the New York Yacht
Club."

Dear truth seeker, Hunt was close to both powerhouses, Buckley and Luce. Hunt
was also working with two of his fellow criminals in the future Watergate scandal,
G. Gordon Liddy (Jesuit-trained) and Chuck Colson.

And in 1985, it was Mark Lane who proved in Miami’s federal court that Hunt was
in Dallas the day President Kennedy was murdered. Therefore, the conclusion was
obvious. The CIA, with its agent, E. Howard Hunt, had killed the President. In the
words of the jury’s forewoman, Leslie Armstrong, found on the inside cover and
page 322 of Plausible Denial, we read:

"Mr. Lane was asking us to do something very difficult. He was asking us to

believe that John Kennedy had been killed by our own government. When we
examined the evidence (for 65 minutes) we were compelled to conclude that the
CIA had indeed killed President Kennedy." Hunt had been part of it, and that
evidence, so painstakingly presented, should now be examined by the relevant
institutions of the United States Government, so that those responsible for the
assassination might be brought to justice.

Editor’s note: For those of you who may wish to contact Rick Martin by
email, rm888@mindspring.com is his new email address.
 Maniacal World Control Thru

The Jesuit Order

Well-Hidden Soldiers Of Satan 

Black Pope pt. 3

The Black Pope Pt.1

7/1/01 RICK MARTIN

( rm888@mindspring.com ) 

No political event or circumstance can be evaluated without the knowledge of the

Vatican’s part in it. And no significant world situation exists in which the Vatican does not
play an important explicit or implicit role. — Avro Manhattan, “Protestant” Knight of
Malta, English Historian and Agitator, 1960, The Vatican And World Politics. 

The Jesuits offer the world at large a system of theology by which every law, Divine and
human, may be broken with impunity, and by which the very Bulls of Popes may be
defied. It is a ghastly religion; it is a religion to be abhorred by all honest and honorable
men. — M. F. Cusack, Converted Nun of Kenmare, 1896, The Black Pope. 

The Jesuits laugh at us; and during their hilarity, the rattlesnake is coiled at our feet,
climbing to strike us in the heart. — Edwin A. Sherman, American Shriner Freemason,
Friend of Charles Chiniquy, 1883, The Engineer Corps Of Hell. 

You could call Eric Jon Phelps a controversial author. We know him as a consummate
researcher, a beloved friend, and a gentleman who lives his truth. Our readers will know
him best as my interviewee in our now infamous May 2000 issue of The SPECTRUM—the
issue that is known far and wide as the “Black Pope” paper.

Eric is also the author of the blockbuster book VATICAN ASSASSINS, an incredibly well
researched historical manuscript which shows the reader, in astonishing detail, where
the TRUE diabolical power and control of this planet resides—at least that controlling
layer which is in the physical dimension.

VATICAN ASSASSINS likewise acquaints the reader with a number of priceless old
documents and historical manuscripts that “certain ones” have done their very best to
remove from almost all of the world’s library shelves. Most of these documents are so
rare that just getting these back into public access and circulation is a great service to all
students of history thirsty for The Truth.

There has been so much interest in what Eric has to say that we decided to revisit a
number of issues and ask him to answer some dangling questions. After all, the kind of
connections which Eric makes are an entire level deeper than what we are used to
hearing in the “conspiracy theory” arena. Moreover, we have noted, with some degree of
surprise and “unveiling” over the past year or so, just who all have come forward to
attack Eric’s work—groundlessly and hysterically (but never to his face). These ones
know who they are and have, by their unprofessional and irrational actions, convincingly
revealed just who they really work for, while pretending to be presenters of Truth!

While it was my intent to focus the majority of the conversation on the present day,
there were some unresolved issues from the past that likewise required clarification. On
June 18, 2001, I had an opportunity to sit down with Eric Phelps, face-to-face, and
prevail upon him to answer a few key questions. Let’s see what he has to say.

Martin: Our last interview—the “Black Pope” issue of The SPECTRUM—went around the

world a few times. It’s also been on the Internet for quite some time. The manuscript of
VATICAN ASSASSINS has been distributed, but still no book. What’s happening with the
book? Why is it taking so long to come out in book form?

Phelps: The reason why it has taken a year to finalize the book is because there were
several historical mistakes that were corrected by some of the readers of the
manuscripts, the first and second manuscripts.

There was a Japanese individual named Toichi [Ryu] who corrected me on some of the
Japanese history regarding the Emperors and the Shogans, for which I thanked him and
made the necessary changes.

There were a few other similar changes that I had to make with regard to dates, places,
and some times; just a polishing-up of the manuscript, so that it’s ready now.

We had one individual who was a Jesuit for 10 years. He got out of the Jesuit Order. He
read the manuscript. He greatly approved of it. And he sent us a list of corrections,
which we incorporated into the manuscript. So, there have been many people who have
added their polishing touches to it, for which I am thankful.

[Editor’s note: Wisdom Books & Press (877) 280-2866 is accepting advance orders for
VATICAN ASSASSINS, the 700-page book, which should be completed by the second or
third week in July. The cost for this huge volume is only $34.95, which includes a gift
CD-ROM containing 13 rare books mostly “missing” from the world’s library shelves.]

Martin: I would like to concentrate this conversation largely on the present day. But,
before we get to the present, I would ask you to, once and for all, clarify something for
our readers who may be still confused about The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of
Zion.

There have been many sources and many reciting's of The Protocols. They’ve been called
a fraud. They’ve been called a forgery, which means that there was a document that
preceded it that it had to be based on. Everyone seems to point to the Jews, or the
Khazars, as the authors of The Protocols, and yet your research indicates otherwise.

Who, in your opinion, authored The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion?

Phelps: Cardinal Bea was the confessor of Pope Pius XII (Hitler’s Pope), a very powerful
Jesuit and Cardinal within the Vatican. According to Alberto Rivera, when speaking with
Cardinal Bea, Cardinal Bea said to him that The Protocols were written by Jews loyal to
the Pope.

I do not believe Jews wrote The Protocols. I do not believe Alberto Rivera was told the
whole story, because he did not have a “need to know”. Withholding information has
always been standard procedure for the Jesuits.
I believe men who were loyal to the Pope wrote The Protocols, and the men who were
loyal to the Pope who wrote The Protocols were the Jesuits, according to Leo Lehmann—
the ex-Irish Catholic priest who became converted to Christ and set-up the mission there
in New York City, Converted Catholics For Christ. He said that the Jesuits wrote The
Protocols, and that this is no new attempt of deception, based on their document that
they wrote concerning their attack on the Jansenists, which was called The Secrets Of
The Elders Of Bourg-Fontaine.

So, the Jesuits wrote The Protocols like they wrote The Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourg-
Fontaine, and the language of The Protocols is identical to The Secret Meeting At Cheiri
[1825].

However, I have a quotation from a very brilliant and Godly, born-again, Bible-believing,
Irish Roman Catholic priest I referred to a moment ago. He wrote a book entitled Behind
The Dictators, first written in 1942, and there were two editions after that. I have the
1945 edition. Dr. Leo Lehmann says that the Jesuits wrote The Protocols. But before I
get into that, I would just like to read to you who Dr. L. H. Lehmann was.

“He was born in Dublin, Ireland, and received his primary education there from the nuns
and Christian brothers. He began his study for the priesthood at Mungret College,
Limerick, and at All Hallows College, Dublin. In 1918, he went to finish his theological
studies at the University of Propaganda Fide in Rome, where he was ordained a priest in
1921. He later studied at New York University from which he received the degree of M.A.

“After four years as a priest in Cape Town, South Africa, Dr. Lehmann was recalled to
Rome to continue negotiations at the Vatican courts concerning a legal case in which he
had been engaged, while a student in Rome, on behalf of many American bishops and
priests against the Jesuits. He later returned to South Africa, but was transferred to the
United States in 1927 and appointed pastor in Gainesville, the university city of Florida.
Dr. Lehmann is now director of Christ’s Mission in New York City and Editor-In-Chief of
The Converted Catholic magazine.”

So, here is a born-again, Bible-believing man who had been an Irish priest, who had
run-ins with the Jesuits, who knew EXACTLY what they were all about. When you’re
involved in litigation within the Vatican, you know the law. And you know the history of
who you are opposing.

Here is what he had to say about the origin of The Protocols. This is found in his book,
Behind The Dictators, on page 15:

“Although first published in Russia in 1903, The Protocols Of [The Learned Elders Of]
Zion had their origin in France and date from the Dreyfus Affair, of which the Jesuits
were the chief instigators. They were planned also first to take effect in France, by the
overthrow of the ‘Judaic-Masonic’ government of the French Republic. But the discovery
of the gigantic fraud of Leo Taxil, who had been openly supported by the Jesuits, the
concluding of the Franco-Russian alliance, along with the Vatican’s difficulties with the
French government at that time, made it more opportune to have them appear first in
Russia.

“These Protocols of supposedly Jewish leaders are not the first documents of their kind
fabricated by the Jesuits.

“For over a hundred years before these Protocols appeared, the Jesuits had continued to
make use of a similar fraud called The Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourg-Fontaine against
Jansenism—an anti-Jesuit French Catholic movement among the secular clergy.”
Phelps: I might also add that the Jansenists were what we would call, really, Catholic
Calvinists. They believed in the sovereignty of God. They believed in justification by
faith. They believed in many Biblical doctrines, and therefore the Jesuits hated them and
later got the Pope to issue a Bull against them.

The Jesuits so hated the Jansenists, of which Blaise Pascal was one, that they concocted
this document, The Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourg-Fontaine, against them.

Martin: What year was this?

Phelps: This was in the 1600s, I believe, in France. It may have been the late 1600s,
because Blaise Pascal wrote his Provincial Letters in the later 1600s.

[Editor’s note: Eric brings to our attention a VERY interesting person here, much like the
great Nikola Tesla of a few hundred years later. Blaise Pascal, 1623-62, was a great
mathematician, physicist, theologian, and man-of-letters, born in Clermont-Ferrand,
France. In 1647 he invented a calculating machine, and later the barometer, the
hydraulic press, and the syringe. Until 1654 he spent his time between mathematics
(remember Pascal’s triangle and other intriguing mathematical and geometric
discoveries?) and the social round in Paris, but a mystical experience that year led him
to join his sister, who was a member of the Jansenist convent at Port-Royal, where he
defended Jansenism against the Jesuits in Lettres Provinciales, 1656-7.]

Now, I’ll go back to my reading:

“The analogy between the two forgeries is perfect—the secret assemblage in the forest
of Bourg-Fontaine; the plan of the ‘conspirators’ to destroy the Papacy and establish
religious tolerance among all nations; the alleged plot against Throne and Altar, and the
setting up of a world-government in opposition to the Catholic Church. There is the same
dramatization of the negative pole of the historic evolution of the world, in order to bring
out, by contrast, the positive Christian [Catholic] pole, around which all conservative
forces—the monarchy, the aristocracy, the army, the clergy—must gather to save the
world from Satan’s onslaught.”

Phelps: Is this not identical to The Protocols? Except in The Protocols, it’s Communism.
Both documents want a world government, under someone other than the Pope. So, it
betrays the Jesuit hand throughout, in The Protocols, based upon The Secrets Of The
Elders Of Bourge-Fontaine; and furthermore, after this document, The Secrets Of the
Elders of Bourge-Fontaine, the next major document that we have is Leone’s The Jesuit
Conspiracy—The Secret Plan Of The Order, which was published in 1848.

In this document, Jesuit Leone was 19 years old and a novitiate in Cheiri, Italy, where
he, when he was snooping around in a back room, became trapped when Jesuit General
Roothaan and his provincials came in another room and he listened to this conversation
between the General and his provincials—in the mid-1830s, around 1834—and while he
was hiding, he was taking notes.

They betray that the Jesuit General was intent upon setting-up a World Government by
controlling the Roman Catholic hierarchy, the Pope, all the monarchies, and thus all the
governments of the world. And that is in Leone’s great work, The Jesuit Conspiracy,
published in 1848.

It was published in several languages. It went all throughout Europe, which contributed
to the people rising-up against the power of the Jesuits in 1848, with the Second French
Revolution. But that revolution was controlled, the leadership of it was controlled, and
the end result was more power for the Jesuit Order in Europe.

Martin: You mention that The Protocols were an outgrowth of the Dreyfus Affair
[1890s]. And prior to that we have the Council of Trent [twenty-five sessions of the
Council of Trent from 1545-1563]. Can you put this in perspective?

Phelps: Ok. The Jesuits were busy creating Jewish hatred in Germany and in France in
the late 1800s. There was a man referred to in Ridpath’s Universal History Of the World
—I only found this here—he called his work “the solution to the Jewish question”. Hitler
came along, later, and had the FINAL solution to the Jewish question. So, they were
fomenting anti-Jewish hatred in Germany, and they were fomenting anti-Jewish hatred
in France.

Martin: Who are they?

Phelps: The Jesuits. The Jesuits were fomenting this in both countries because, at this
time, the Jesuits had been expelled from Germany in 1872, and they had been expelled
from France in 1880. So now they’re going to go after the Jews through their agents in
these two countries.

In France, they started the Dreyfus Affair, and that was in the 1890s. The Dreyfus Affair
had several purposes. It was to create anti-Semitism—anti-Jewish hatred in France.

I hate to use the word anti-Semitism. There are many Semites other than Jews. And it
was also calculated to create war with Germany, because Captain Dreyfus was accused
of treason in handing secrets over to the German government. It was all a frame.

He was completely framed. He was sent to Devil’s Island for 10 years, and suffered the
horrible tortures of Devil’s Island for that period of time. And then, later, when he was
brought back, he was vindicated and found “not guilty”, and the Jesuits were blamed for
having done this. So this became universally known in France, which ultimately caused
the Jesuits to be expelled, again, in 1901.

The Dreyfus Affair is a major European conspiracy with the Jesuit hand, against the
Jews, attempting to foment a war between France and Germany. Because, remember,
the French hated the Germans as a result of the trouncing that they got in the Franco-
Prussian War of 1870. And they wanted vengeance for that.

So, we play on the people’s vengeance, create this issue between Germany and France,
we use the Jews to do it so we can get some anti-Jewish fervor going, which ultimately
manifests itself in 1942 with the Vichy government in France, when they help the Nazis
round-up all the Jews in France and send them to Auschwitz.

And it’s at that time, in 1942, in the Petain, that the Jesuits were formally readmitted
into France. That’s the significance of the Dreyfus Affair.

Martin: And what is the significance of the Council of Trent in relation to all of these?

Phelps: The Council of Trent puts heretics—which us Bible-believers are, all Protestants

and all Jews—puts all of us under more than 100 curses because of what we believe:

We believe in justification by faith.

“Accursed be all who believe in justification by faith.”

We believe that Baptism is simply an outward sign of salvation, and that it is not
necessary for salvation.

“Accursed be all those who believe that.”

We believe that, when we eat of the Lord’s supper, the bread and the wine are NOT the
literal body and blood of Christ, as the Council of Trent teaches, therefore we are
accursed because we do not believe in transubstantiation.

And we also believe that man has a right to his own judgment. He has a right to read the
Bible and make his own decisions as to what it means; that the Bible should be in the
language of the people, because this the foundation of freedom of conscience, freedom
of speech, and freedom of the press.

All of these things in the 4th session of the Council of Trent are condemned, anybody
who believes in: freedom of speech, and freedom of conscience, and freedom of the
press.

So, those maxims of the Council of Trent are brought into The Protocols when The
Protocols condemn freedom of conscience; they condemn freedom of the press; they
condemn national governments and national sovereignty.

You see, Bible-believers, we believe in national sovereignty.

We do not believe in World Government.

We believe America should be governed by Americans.

We believe Japan should be governed by Japanese, etc.

We do not believe, we do not want, a European Union.

We do not want a combination of governments under Centralized Government.

We believe in national sovereignties, which is the reason why the South seceded and left
the United States, because they wanted to set-up their own national sovereignty; it was
a Protestant maxim upon which they acted.

Ok, so Trent effects The Protocols. Trent effects The Secrets Of The Elders Of Bourge-
Fontaine. Trent effects The Secret Plan, written by Leone in 1848. And hence, now we
have the doctrines of Communism effecting Marx and his Communist Manifesto, because
Marx was tutored in the British Museum BY JESUITS.

Martin: Who was behind the Council of Trent, The Secret Plan, etc. Who were the men
behind these, historically?

Phelps: Well, Diego Laynez went on to be the Jesuit General after Loyola; Laynez was
the second Jesuit General. He was the MASTER-MIND of the Council of Trent. Laynez
was a Jesuit by allegiance, and a Jew by race. This is very important. And it’s the result
of Laynez being a Jew, when this was brought to light in 1593, that the Order passed a
statute that NO JEW COULD EVER BE IN THE JESUIT ORDER AGAIN. This is VERY
important. This is why Weishaupt was not a Jew. It was against the constitutions of the
Order for a Jew to be in the Order.

Martin: And what relation does Weishaupt have to all of this?

Phelps: Weishaupt was the promoter of the Illuminati, with the House of Rothschild, for
the punishment of the Catholic monarchs of Europe, and the Pope, for suppressing the
Jesuit Order.

So, Weishaupt did not act alone. Weishaupt was under the supervision, at least initially,
of Jesuit General Ricci, who died in 1775 in Italy. Weishaupt was under orders.

Martin: Who is Jesuit General Roothaan?

Phelps: Jesuit General Roothaan was the General of the Society from the 1830s to the
mid-1850s. Jesuit General Roothaan was the one who oversaw The Secret Plan At Chieri,
of which Leone overheard and then wrote about.

Martin: So this is KEY to what we are talking about?

Phelps: Extremely key.

Martin: And who is Peter Beckx?

Phelps: Peter Beckx was the Jesuit General in the late 1800s and early 1900s. He was
the one who gave the order and oversaw the sinking of the Titanic.

Martin: Let’s talk about that now. Why have you drawn the historical conclusion that the
Jesuits sank the Titanic?

Phelps: Because they benefited. And they were present, on site, on the ship, prior to it’s
sinking. When we have a powerful organization that is working together, such as the
Jesuit Order, and the power that they had prior to their suppression, and that they had
never changed, and they are still working toward a World Government under the Pope,
we look for the Jesuit Order in these national crises that arise—and in this issue, the
Titanic.

We must ask the question: Even though we can’t place where they are at the moment,
did the Jesuit Order benefit from this? And the answer is: Yes, they did.

They benefited because it paved the way for the establishment of the Federal Reserve
Bank, which they own and control, by proxy, through the Knights of Malta, with their
various trusts and so on. They never own anything outright; they always own it through
a trusted third party.

How do we know that the Jesuits control the Federal Reserve Bank? Because the Federal
Reserve Bank was used to finance the second “Thirty Years War”—from 1914 to 1945—in
which everything that transpired fell out for the benefit of the Vatican, everything.

Then, of course, when we discover that the most powerful man in Ireland, the Jesuit
Provincial Francis M. Browne, was on the Titanic taking pictures of all those who would
be going down. And then, right before it departs Queenstown, Ireland, to set out for the
North Sea, “the lucky priest departed off the ship” in the words of Martin Sheen, who
narrated Secrets Of The Titanic.

It was more than luck; it was planned that way. Martin Sheen has been to the Jesuit
Novitiate at St. Jacques, in Warnersville, Pennsylvania. Martin Sheen is a bosom buddy
of the Jesuits.
The men who went down were wealthy Jews who were resisting the establishment of a
centralized bank in America, particularly John Jacob Astor, who was a personal friend of
Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis. And Brandeis greatly resisted the establishment
of the central bank.

Martin: Astor, Guggenheim, and Straus were three Jewish men who went down with the
Titanic. Why do you focus so much of your attention on Astor?

Phelps: Astor was the wealthiest Jew in the world, some say the wealthiest man in the
world. But he was, most definitely, the wealthiest Jew. He did not have more money
than the Pope. But he was the wealthiest man in the world and he was using his wealth
NOT in accord with the Jesuit Order.

Now, later, his son, John Jacob Astor IV, became part of the money trust, which can be
found on the Internet; and so the Jesuits had access, now, to the Astor fortune. They
control it now. But, at that time, they got rid of Astor because they wanted his fortune,
and they wanted to end his resistance to the establishment of a national bank. And they
do this pursuant to The Secret Instructions, that they will take the fortunes of widows
and other people who resist them.

And that is what they did in Eugene Sue’s The Wandering Jew. That story revolves
around a French Protestant family, the Renneponts, and the Jesuits killing-off every
member of the Rennepont family, so that they can have the fortune when it would be
opened up at a certain day, at a certain time in Paris. And the man who held the fortune
in trust was a Jew. So, that’s why they got rid of Astor.

Martin: What was that quote from the movie JFK about the Titanic?

Phelps: I believe Oliver Stone was overseen by the Jesuits, who control Hollywood. And,
therefore, a lot of the lines were authored by Jesuits.

One of the lines authored by the Jesuits was when Garrison was sitting at the table and
he said: “People, we’ve got to start thinking differently. We’ve got to start thinking like
the CIA. White is black, and black is white.”

That is DIRECTLY from Ignatius Loyola’s Spiritual Exercises. [Ignatius Loyola was the
founder of the Jesuit Order in 1540.] When he tells the people that they believe the
hierarchical Catholic Church and believe white is black and black is white, if the hierarchy
says so. That’s right out of the Spiritual Exercises.

Well then, when one of the associates, Bill, of Garrison’s staff, is approached by an FBI
agent, and the FBI agent is trying to win him over to their side, that FBI agent says:
“There’s going to be millions of people who are going to die. Besides, you’ve got to get
away from Garrison. He’s going down with the Titanic.”

That is a clue, right there, that the same men who were behind the Kennedy
assassination, attempting to frustrate Garrison’s investigation, were the same men who
sunk the Titanic.

Martin: I’m looking at the front-page headline from a little-known rag-sheet, and the
current headline that I’m reading says: “Khazarian Zionists Are The Anti-Christ.” Now,
what can you explain to our readers about who might be behind such a headline, and
what is the AGENDA of such a headline?
[Editor’s note: Some of you readers who may be familiar with the publication should
know that Rick is referring to the June 13, 2001 issue of the CONTACT newspaper.]

Phelps: We know that the Jesuits, in their agendas, hate the Jews.

And you add: “Eric, you say that the Jesuits set up Zionist Israel.”

The Jesuits control the Masonic Jewish Zionists who control Zionist Israel. They HATE the
Jewish race. And when I speak of Jews, I’m not speaking of Judaism. I’m not speaking of
their evil religion, that openly and notoriously rejects Jesus as the Messiah; even
Josephus realized Jesus was the Messiah.

I’m talking about the RACE. And when I’m speaking of the Jewish race, I’m speaking of
the descendants of Jacob, through his 12 sons, and their physical descendants. That’s
what I mean when I speak of the Jews.

Many, many Orthodoxes today believe there is no such thing as the Jewish race. They
are in error about that, because in Romans IX, X, & XI, it speaks specifically about the
Jewish race, that Christ was a Jew; that Christ spoke in John, Chapter IV, we know
whom we worship for salvation is of the Jews.

So, he identified himself as a Jew. The Apostle Paul identified himself as a Hebrew of
Hebrews, an Israelite, etc. So the terms Jew, Israelite, and Hebrew are all synonymous
terms; they are the physical, racial descendants of Jacob. And, therefore, the Abraham
covenant and promises apply to them, and they have not been fulfilled to this day. They
are in the great diaspora—they are in the great dispersion.

And so, Satan, not wanting them to inherit these promises, has set-out to destroy the
Jewish race any way he possibly can. And his greatest tool in the destruction of the
Jewish race is the Jesuit Order.

Martin: Are you saying that this headline that I just read to you has an agenda behind
it?

Phelps: Absolutely.

Martin: And what is that agenda?

Phelps: The agenda is to create world-wide anti-Jewish fury, in every nation of the

world, so as to drive all the Jews back to Israel for their final annihilation when the
Jesuits bring in the armies of the Earth and when the anti-Christ, the risen Pope, brings
in the armies of the Earth in his last, mad attempt to destroy all of the Jews, so that
they cannot inherent the promises given to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Martin: If there is an intelligence community behind this publication, it’s easy enough to
draw the conclusion, from what you’re saying, that the Jesuits, who control the
intelligence community, would be specifically behind this agenda to foment hate and
agitation against the Jewish race.

Phelps: Absolutely. Especially the American Jews, because there are more American
Jews, here in this country, than there are in Israel. And one of their agendas in the next
10-20 years is to create anti-Jewish fury, and to drive the American Jews back to Israel,
killing millions of them, as well, here, because they’re planning to bring their Roman
Catholic Fascist dictator to power—just like they did with Hitler in Germany; just like
they did with Stalin in Russia; just like they did with Franco in Spain; just like they did
with Mussolini in Italy. They have the same exact agenda here. They’re going to do it
through the Republican, “New Right” party, of which George Bush is now the head.

Martin: At one point, you made a comment privately concerning the Right-Wing militia
movement possibly being influenced with another agenda. Can you talk about that?

I’ll just say up-front that this is going to strike at the heart of many people’s belief
system. And some may have difficulty with what you say.

Phelps: The Right-Wing militia groups—the posse comitatus, etc., Ku Klux Klan, the
Minutemen, they all have one thing in common: they all hate the Jews. That puts up a
flag for me. And if they all hate the Jews, that tells me that they have been imbibed, or
indoctrinated, with hatred for the Jews. They all hate the Jews; and as an aside, so do
the Black Moslems [Muslims]. Louis Farrakhan openly hands-out The Protocols Of The
Learned Elders Of Zion and blames all our problems, and all the Black man’s problems,
on the Jews.

So, the Right-Wing posse comitatus groups are all controlled by the Jesuits because they
are all anti-Jew, and they have NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT THE JESUIT ORDER. NOTHING!

Martin: Wouldn’t you say that most of the groups just don’t have a clue about the Jesuit
Order?

Phelps: Not their leadership. A lot of these groups have Catholics in them. There’s not a
Catholic around who doesn’t know the power of the Jesuit Order, in their educational
power, and the power of government.

We have Drinin in Congress; we have McLaughlin who was writing speeches for Nixon for
$35,000 a year. We have Jesuits all throughout the government. There’s not any
intelligent Roman Catholic who’s involved in these Right-Wing Movements who doesn’t
know the power of the Jesuits.

THEY DON’T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THEM. JUST LIKE THE PRESS WON’T TALK ABOUT
THEM.

So, this Timothy McVeigh thing—is that what we’re leading to?

Martin: Well, no, but go ahead.

Phelps: This Timothy McVeigh thing—here’s another Irish Roman Catholic sacrificed,

just like Kennedy, for the sake of attempting to create a national backlash or agitation
against the Right-Wing Movement people, because a lot of the Right-Wing Movement
people are true patriots who want their liberty; they want to maintain their guns; they
want freedom to educate their children as they wish; they’re decent people, but they are
not aware that the leadership is controlled by the Vatican.

So, the Jesuits in control of Clinton fomented the Oklahoma City bombing to justify going
after these Right-Wing, conservative, many of them Bible-believing, people in this
movement, for their round-up and extermination. But it didn’t quite work.

So, they imploded the building. They got rid of Timothy McVeigh. That whole execution
could have been stayed with one phone call from the Archbishop of New York to the
Bishop of Oklahoma City, and he wouldn’t do it.
That was the purpose of the Oklahoma City bombing, the creation of anti-Right-Wing
feeling. And the people at the top, controlling the Right-Wing organizations, will betray
their own people, just exactly as the White Russians were betrayed during the
Communist Revolution from 1917-1922.

Their own leadership will betray them—just as Hitler betrayed his armies to the East,
cut-off supplies, would not allow them to take Moscow, froze them in the snows of
Russia; just as Napoleon betrayed his armies in the East, abandoned 250,000 men;
that’s exactly what’s going to be done to our Right-Wing patriotic people who are the
only bulwark against tyranny in this country today.

Martin: We’re almost to the present day. But, before we get to the present day, let’s
stop for a minute, once again, and talk about JFK’s assassination. I’m going to mention a
few names, and then let’s talk about the Jesuit influence behind that assassination and
the reasons why.

John McCone, head of the CIA; Cardinal Spellman, Archbishop of New York; Henry Luce;
Carthe DeLouche; and E. Howard Hunt. Why are these names important? What are their
relationships? And WHY would you point the finger at someone like the Archbishop of
New York, Cardinal Spellman, of all people, to place the responsibility for the JFK
assassination directly at the Vatican? How can you justify that?

Phelps: We know we’re looking at a conspiracy, so we ask the question, again: Who
benefits? Who benefited from the death of JFK? Well, we know, according to the works of
the great Fletcher Prouty, JFK was going to end the Vietnam War in 1965. We also know
that JFK was going to end the reign of the CIA, and all of their military, covert operations
were going to be handed-over to the Army Chiefs of Staff. Therefore, the CIA benefited,
and those who wanted the Vietnam War benefited.

We now must ask the question: Who wanted the Vietnam War? Well, we know that many
factions did, but we see, openly and in our face, Cardinal Spellman wanted the Vietnam
War. Cardinal Spellman’s man in Vietnam was Diem. Diem was a fascist Roman Catholic,
persecuting the Buddhists. And his brother was head of the Secret Police. So, Diem was
Cardinal Spellman’s man in Vietnam. Diem was assassinated because Kennedy withdrew
the CIA representative out of Saigon.

The other thing is, Cardinal Spellman, throughout the Vietnam War, would travel over
there at the war-front and he’d call the soldiers the “soldiers of Christ”, according to
Avro Manhattan, in his great work Vietnam: Why Did We Go? So, Cardinal Spellman
wanted the Vietnam War, and if Cardinal Spellman wanted the Vietnam War, the Pope
wanted the Vietnam War, and if the Pope wanted the Vietnam War, the Black Pope
wanted the Vietnam War, the Jesuit General.

Martin: Who was?

Phelps: Jean Baptiste Janssens. He died in 1964. From 1964 to 1983 or so, it was Pedro
Arrupe.

Martin: So you’re saying that Janssens had an agenda.

Phelps: Jean Baptist Janssens had an agenda, and that agenda was to annihilate as
many Buddhists as possible, because the Buddhists have always been the enemies of the
Jesuits. When the Jesuits took Japan in 1873, what did they do? They outlawed, they
made it so that the government of Japan would not support the Buddhist religion
anymore. Buddhism has ceased to be the state religion. So they’ve always been the
enemy of the Buddhists.

The other thing about the Vietnam War is that it created a $220 billion dollar debt for the
American people, and that debt was incurred by the Congress, who borrowed that
money from the Jesuits’ Federal Reserve Bank.

So the Jesuits made big money. They killed lots of “heretics”. They preserved the CIA.

Because, remember: the CIA was initially founded and set-up by one particular man,
Reinhard Gehlen, who was a Nazi General, who was Hitler’s most sinister General. And
so, he incorporated all of the Nazi intelligence apparatus into the CIA in the West. It was
also incorporated into the KGB in the East. They were called “Freedom Fighters”; they
were really working for the KGB, these SS, Nazi men. If the Jesuit General controlled the
KGB, he controls the CIA.

Kennedy was getting in the way. Kennedy also did not want the voucher system for
public schools, of which George Bush is a great promoter. The Vatican wants the
American taxpayer to pay for Catholic schools because, remember, Roman Catholicism,
left to itself, without government support, crumbles. It has nothing to offer. There is no
freedom of speech, no freedom of press.

THE CATHOLIC PEOPLE DON’T OWN ONE SQUARE FOOT OF CHURCH PROPERTY. THEY
DON’T OWN ONE BRICK OF THEIR CHURCHES. IT’S ALL OWNED BY THE HIERARCHY.

They are simply to obey their hierarchy, and in America that’s not good enough. Catholic
people don’t want that in America. Catholic people, for the most part, enjoy freedom of
press, and freedom of speech, and freedom to make a profit; all of those things the
Vatican does not want. A case in point is all of South America and Central America.

Martin: Well, why do you think—other than the fact that there have been 100-200
people killed who knew anything about the JFK assassination—why do you think it’s
never come out?

Phelps: Because the American branch of the Knights of Malta, of which McCone was a
member, Henry Luce was a member, William F. Buckley was a member, Lee Iacocca was
a member, Cartha DeLoach of the FBI was a member, etc. They control the press! And
they controlled CBS, at that time, with a man named Frank Shakespeare, who was a
Knight of Malta. The Knights control ABC, CBS, and NBC, and Time/Life; that’s why
Time/Life attempted to destroy the Zapruder film.

I might also add, throughout the publication of “The Black Pope” interview we did back in
May 2000, and my first two manuscripts since that time, there has not been one Roman
Catholic who has emailed me, or attempted to contact me in any way, denying that
Cardinal Spellman did this; not one. But we have several clandestine Jesuits who are in
complete agreement, and who admit that this is exactly what was done.

Martin: Let me ask you about Opus Dei. We’ve been accused of hiding Opus Dei in the
background as being the real power behind the Vatican, and therefore, the power over
the Jesuits. Have we conspired to withhold the mention of Opus Dei in our discussions?

Phelps: No. Opus Dei is a subordinate organization to the Pope, who is in control of the
Knights of Malta, and therefore there are Knights of Malta in Opus Dei.
The Jesuits control Opus Dei through the hierarchy of the Pope and through the Knights
of Malta. Opus Dei is composed of prominent Roman Catholic businessmen and
politicians who have given themselves over to “God’s work”—that’s what Opus Dei
means—for making the Pope the Universal Monarch of the world, ruling the world from
Solomon’s rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.

An example of this is the former head of the FBI, Louis Freeh, was a member of Opus
Dei.

And so, we now understand the Waco incident, where those White Protestants were
killed; it was the work of the Opus Dei. And we also have to remember that the
sharpshooter, one of them there, was a Japanese Roman Catholic, Lon Horiuchi.

But Opus Dei is determined to create a World Government under the Pope. Opus Dei was
created in the 20th Century, whereas the Knights of Malta were created in the 11th
Century, and the Jesuits were created in the 16th Century, in 1540, with Ignatius Loyola.

So, the super-secret society of the Jesuit Order, in control of the Knights of Malta, were
in existence nearly 500 years before Opus Dei. Opus Dei, like the Knights of Columbus,
is a subordinate organization to the Jesuit Order.

Martin: Ok, now that we have some of these things put temporarily to rest—until the
book comes out!—let’s talk about the present day.

There are a few things happening that everyone needs to be aware of and concerned
about. I’ll just mention a few countries, and then we can begin: Israel, Cuba, China,
North Africa, and Japan. What’s happening with our relationship with these countries?
How are we going to be sucked-in to a conflict? And what are the ramifications going to
be? Lines in the sand are being drawn, alliances are being created between powerful
nations, and why should we be concerned about that?

That’s a big question.

Phelps: That’s a big question. I’ll try to deal with a piece at a time, if I may.

I’m going to start with the 14th Amendment American Empire that was established in
1868 after the Jesuit Order destroyed the Federal Republic or the Confederate Republic
of sovereign nation states that Washington established in 1789.

The Jesuits have used the 14th Amendment American Empire to restore the temporal
power of the Pope over all nations around the world for the last 100 years. And that’s
why they have garrisoned American troops throughout the world. That’s why they have
laid upon us an iniquitous and sinful federal income tax, with which they finance these
crusades around the world.

So, their American Empire has served them well in the restoration of the temporal power
of the Pope around the world, especially over Orthodox Russia, Buddhist China, Buddhist
Japan, South and Central America through the CIA; this is the purpose for the British
and America Empires. They used the British Empire in the 19th Century to do this, and
they used the American Empire in the 20th Century to do this. So they take the most
powerful Protestant empires, and the wealthiest, harness their governments, and use
such for their own purposes.

Alright, now that America has been used for its purpose, it is time to destroy it. And we
must remember that America is the haven for the Jews of the world, which the Jesuits
have accursed; it is the haven for Bible-believing Protestants, called “heretics”, who the
Jesuits have accursed; and it is the haven for peoples of many, many different races who
simply want to have some liberty in life, which are called “liberals”, which the Jesuits
have accursed.

The United States is a refugee nation, made up of many, many nationalities now. We are
no longer a White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant nation, as we were. We are composed of a
host of different nationalities, with a host of religious beliefs, and thus this nation has
been fragmented and agitated and is a disconcerted mess, with no real national purpose
anymore.

The Jesuits have fired-up the Negro agitation of the Civil Rights Movement. They
continue to fire that up with Hollywood, with such movies as Roots, etc.

They don’t tell the whole story of Malcolm X. He was an agitator to begin with. When he
came back from Mecca, he changed his story and denounced the Nation of Islam, along
with the Ku Klux Klan, stating that “they both had the same paymasters”. And he was
absolutely right. They have agitated and broken apart this country, so we have no more
national purpose.

The next thing that they’ve done, they’ve disarmed us. They’ve closed-down over 100
military bases. We have no domestic defense. The foreigners, the Mexicans come across
the borders by the thousands, and the major corporations hire them, and they do their
work for them, which is all illegal. It should be punished by law. But we have no
punishment by law in this country anymore.

So we have the reign of crime. We have all of these illegal immigrants. We have the
destruction of the White race. When this nation ceases to be White, it will cease to be
great, because there is not a nation in the world that’s a nation of color that can
compete on the international scale of business and trade and commerce; they can’t do
it.

A nation that was once White, but is now a nation of color, is Cuba. Cuba used to be a
prosperous, beautiful place, but now, with all the amalgamation and inter-racial
marriage, it’s 95% Black; it’s under a Roman Catholic, Jesuit-trained Dictator named
Fidel Castro; and it is a miserable place to live. And that is EXACTLY what this country is
going to be like if it continues on the track it is now on.

The Jesuits have determined to destroy this American Empire that they have used for
the last 100 years. So what they are doing now is, they are going to break apart the
Empire.

And how are they doing this? Well, one of the things they’ve done is they’ve created this
issue where an American submarine hit this Japanese fishing boat, killing all the
Japanese on the boat, I believe, and the skipper was court-martialed. But nonetheless, it
was a deliberate act of murder, because with that kind of technology on a submarine,
you just don’t hit a boat. And you just don’t have some civilian driving the submarine
either. That’s ridiculous. So they are creating agitations with nations like Japan, with this
incident.

They’re creating deliberate agitation with nations like China, with the bombing of the
Chinese Embassy in Belgrade. They’re creating agitations with China, Japan, which will
ultimately result in Japan and China uniting. With the military power of China, with the
economic power of Japan—when already Hong Kong has been given to China, which
now, because of that financial might, China is able to take control of the Panama Canal;
they control the canal locks through Hutchen Wimpoa, a Chinese corporation. They are
now building the largest shipping dock in the world in the Bahamas, owned by the Red
Chinese. The Red Chinese now have the Long Beach Naval Station, which is now Cosco.

So they are in a position now to be able to establish a beach-head when they invade.

The thing is: Does China have the fleet to do it? No, China doesn’t have the fleet right
now to do it, but Russia does. Russia has the largest merchant marine fleet in the world.
And we are very much deceived into thinking that China and Russia are enemies. They
are not enemies; they work together. They are controlled by the same Jesuit Order. The
Jesuits run Peking; they also run Moscow. They run the dictator of China and they run
the dictator of Russia. It doesn’t matter who he is. It doesn’t matter what their names
are. The Jesuits control them, and if they resist them, they’re out! Just like in the United
States.

So, they’re breaking apart the American Empire. They’re creating a huge coalition of
Oriental nations for our invasion.

Now, let’s talk about Africa. There are 700,000, as I understand it, Chinese troops in
Somalia. Chuck Colson, one of the conspirators in the Kennedy assassination and the
Watergate cover-up, is now the false Bible-believer, the false Protestant. He’s working
for the Jesuits because the head of his prison fellowship is a Roman Catholic.

Colson now is being used to try to get an American military force into the Sudan to save
these Black Christians, who in fact are Black Roman Catholics. If that is accomplished, if
that is done, we are now going to have a large military force in the Sudan, and there’s a
large military force in Somalia. What do you think it would take for those two military
forces to clash?

And if those military forces clash, we will have an escalation in Africa, which I believe is
what the Jesuits want. Because, if that happens, there can be a surgical strike into
Jerusalem for the blowing-up of the Dome of the Rock. The Moslems, the Muftis, have
known that was the intent of the Zionists for years, the blowing of the Dome of the Rock,
so that Solomon’s Temple can be rebuilt. And you can find this information in Pierre van
Paassen’s great work, written in 1939, called Days Of Our Years. So, with this coalition
with the 14th Amendment American forces against the Chinese forces in Africa, this
could happen.

Now, what would happen as a result of the destruction of the Dome of the Rock? Well,
the Moslems regard the Dome of the Rock as the third most important holy place in their
religion. They would call for a Jihad against “The Great Satan”, the United States. And
with a Jihad, a Holy War, against the United States, they would then go across Africa to
West Africa. There will probably be a coalition of ships ready at that time, to be ferried
across the Atlantic Ocean into Cuba. And Cuba will be the landing base, the staging base
for the invasion of the Protestant American South, the last real Protestant bastion of
liberty in the world.

Remember: according to the Koran, it is no murder to kill a Christian; in fact, it is a

virtuous act.

So, here we’d have all of these Moslem troopers, millions of Moslem troopers will be
landing in Miami, landing in New Orleans, landing in the South of the United States,
coupled with a Cuban military force, coupled with, probably, also a Chinese military force
coming from the West Coast, and coming up through the Panama Canal to unite with
them in the attack of the American South. With the blood bath that will ensue, this whole
coalition of nations: China, Russia, Cuba, the Arabs, they will carry out the destruction
and annihilation of this North American population, WHICH INCLUDES CANADA; it
definitely includes Canada.

It is for this reason, because the government is controlled by the Jesuits, the
government of the United States is seeking our total disarmament and the abolition of all
gun ownership. This is why the Jesuit Conference, for years, has been anti-gun-
ownership, meaning handguns, rifles, and shotguns.

So, to have the American people completely disarmed, our military cut way down, we
have no Navy any more, really, to speak of; we have no Army—it’s a totally demoralized
Army, with this forced integration; and we have Black supremacy in the Army.

I was there, in Germany, for 3 years. I watched it with my own eyes. So, we have a
demoralized American Army that doesn’t know what to fight.

Martin: Let me just jump-in here to say that Bush is beefing-up the military, reversing
what was done previously by Clinton. How can you say we have a weak Army when
we’re about to spend billions beefing up our defenses? Is this just a show?

Phelps: That’s just a show. Because the Jesuits who controlled Clinton are the same
Jesuits who control Bush. And remember, we were already scaling-down with Carter and
Reagan and Ford.

And so, this whole idea of re-armament, it might be for some super-system of
preventing missiles from coming in, an anti-ballistic missile system, but that’s ridiculous,
because we know there is no such thing as universal nuclear war. We have no evidence
that incoming nukes can detonate a specific target.

We don’t know EXACTLY what transpired at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but they have
contorted that into the hoax of thermo-nuclear war, which I do not believe can happen.
Bruce Cathie doesn’t believe it can happen; William Cooper doesn’t believe it can
happen; and other physicists don’t believe it can happen. Other physicists don’t believe
it’s possible, which now limits us to a standing army of men who know how to fight,
which we do not have. We don’t have it anymore.

So, with all of these hordes of invaders coming in, and a disarmed population, it would
be a piece of cake. Remember that Spain was invaded by 4 million Moslem troopers.
They landed in the Canary Islands, and from the Canary Islands they then invaded
Spain, and they were led by a Roman Catholic Archbishop who was backing Franco! This
is in the 1930s.

If they did it in the ’30s, won’t they do it now? And if they used Moslems to kill Orthodox
Serbians just recently, in the 1990s, wouldn’t they use Moslems to kill Protestant
Americans? If they used Moslems to kill Roman Catholic Spanish, wouldn’t they do the
same thing here? Sure they would. So that’s what is happening in the United States.

Martin: What just happened in Europe with Bush going over there and theoretically
being given a hard time by the European community? What do you see happening in
Europe right now?

Phelps: Well, not believing the press is our first maxim of reading.

Remember, a unified Europe is a Vatican brainchild. That all originated with the Jesuits in
the Vatican for the reuniting of the Holy Roman Empire, which our friend Leo Lehmann
said is exactly what the Jesuits wanted in 1942—a reunited Holy Roman Empire with a
Catholic Germany at it’s core.

Martin: And you base all of your conclusions just on this one person?

Phelps: No, no, no, no—this is a certain topic, and he adds to the color we’re given.

Martin: I know that, but I asked the question that way because not all of our readers
will be aware of the extent of the bibliography supporting the contentions of your
research in VATICAN ASSASSINS.

Phelps: Ok. The Jesuits want a unified Europe. The Bible-believers of England are
greatly resisting it, but the Jesuit-controlled Tony Blair will, ultimately, bring England
into that Union. And Bush is helping to co-ordinate that, because the Federal Reserve
Bank, the largest bank in the world, is one of the greatest contributors, or players, in
international trading.

Martin: Are you saying that Alan Greenspan is a pawn of the Jesuit Order?

Phelps: Absolutely. Alan Greenspan is a Masonic Jewish Zionist and a pawn of the Jesuit
Order. And the Jesuits are very careful to have visible Jews at the head of the Federal
Reserve System so they can blame all the evils of the Federal Reserve Bank on the Jews.

We’re never told, for example, that the head, right now, of the most powerful Federal
Reserve Bank—because there are 12 of them—in New York is a man named McDonough.
He’s an Irish Roman Catholic. He’s a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. He’s a
friend, a bosom-buddy of O’Hare, who is the President and Jesuit of the 4th Vow of
Fordham University.

Why are we not told that about the Federal Reserve Bank? It’s always Jews, Jews, Jews.
Jews are just pawns. They’ve always been the bankers for the Pope. The Masonic Jewish
bankers are the bankers for the Pope. And before the Rothschild's, it was the Fuggers.

Martin: Who are the College of Cardinals who choose the Pope?

Phelps: The College of Cardinals is REALLY the Roman Senate. The Pope is really the
Caesar. And so this military Caesar is elected by Roman Senators, as to who will be their
leader for World Government under the 7th Roman Caesar, who’s yet to come. And so,
the ones who do the electing are the Cardinals.

Martin: Now, those who see the current Pope see a very frail man. Has he served well?
Is that why he’s been allowed to stay on so long?

Phelps: He’s done very well. He’s served the Jesuit Order perfectly. This supposed rift
between him and Arrupe, and suppressing the Jesuits with their Liberation Theology in
Central America, is all for public consumption. That Pope is completely emasculated with
regard to the power of the Jesuit Order.

The Jesuit Order has proven its power with the Napoleonic Wars, the killing of Pope Pius
VI, the imprisoning of Pius VII, the restoration by Pius VII.

THE JESUIT ORDER IS OMNIPOTENT WHEN IT COMES TO THE PAPACY, AND THEY ARE
THE ONES IN POWER.
Just like Hitler fashioned his Third Reich around the Papacy, the Secret Police or the SS
were modeled after the Jesuits, and the Jesuits are the Secret Police of the Vatican
Empire. They keep things in order. Without the Jesuit Order, the Vatican and the Papacy
and the hierarchy would fall apart.

Martin: Who issued the Papal Bull suppressing the Jesuit Order?

Phelps: Pope Clement XIV.

Martin: Let’s talk about that.

Phelps: Pope Clement XIV was a Franciscan. His name was Ganganelli. He was elected
Pope due to the influence of the Bourbon monarchs—the Bourbon King of Spain, the
Bourbon King of France, and the Braganzas of Portugal. Those insisted that a Pope would
be brought to power who would suppress the Jesuit Order, because the Jesuits were
busy making billions in South America, and never gave a dime to the Portuguese King
and the Spanish King.

Martin: How were they making money in South America?

Phelps: They were making money in South America with their Reductions.

Martin: What are Reductions?

Phelps: Reductions are like communes; they’re like a Kibbutz in Israel or a commune in

Russia.

Martin: And what years are we talking about.

Phelps: We’re talking between 1600-1750, roughly 150 years of these Reductions,

where these Garani Indians were putting hides and tallow and clocks and the Paraguay
herb and many, many commodities into international shipping and trade—which the
Jesuits shipped all around the world with their “Black Ships”, and had HUGE commercial
profits with which they started banks in Europe and then funded wars. And one of the
projects that they funded were the Napoleanic Wars.

Martin: This Pope, Ganganelli, suppressed the Jesuits with a Papal Bull?

Phelps: That’s right. Dominus Ac Redemptor. That was the Bull. That is its formal name.

Martin: What is a Bull?

Phelps: A Bull is a legal document that the Pope speaks within his most powerful
method of speaking. It’s sealed with “the seal of the fishman”. A “brief” does not have
that seal. A brief is a less powerful document; it can be overruled with a Bull.

Martin: So, this Pope, in 1773, issued the Bull eliminating the Jesuit Order forever?

Phelps: Forever! After a 4-year investigation of all their intrigues, of all their power, of
all their wealth, of all their buildings, everything, after a 4-year investigation they were
abolished by Clement XIV. And, remember, Clement XIII was about to do the same thing
when, the night before, he was poisoned.
So, Clement XIV was brought to power then and, after a 4-year investigation, he
suppresses them. And when he did so, he said: “This suppression will be my death.”

Martin: And it was.

Phelps: And it was—14 months later, he died. He was poisoned by the Jesuits with a
poison called Aquetta.

It’s a slow poison that caused his intestines to have terrible, terrible pain. And when he
was embalmed, the intestines exploded and they could not have an open-casket for
viewing this Pope. The flesh fell off of his fingers; his fingernails turned black; his skin
turned black; all his hair fell out; so they decided they could not have an open display of
the Pope in his garb. So they had a closed casket.

Martin: So, this Papal Bull, which was a PERMANENT dismantling of the Jesuit Order,
was later overruled?

Phelps: Right.

Martin: Now, how can a permanent disbanding of the Order be overruled at all?

Phelps: The Jesuits came out and said this was not a Bull. Even though, according to
Thompson in his Footprints Of The Jesuits, and according the Cusack’s The Black Pope,
even though they said it was a Bull, and Thompson said it was in the Library of the Bulls
in Rome, even though it’s a Bull, the Jesuits came out and said it was a brief. And,
therefore, Pope Pius VII, upon their restoration, he instituted a Bull restoring the Jesuits,
which “overruled the brief”. That’s what they teach.

BUT THE FACT IS, THEIR SUPPRESSION WAS A BULL, AND THEIR [contrived]
RESTORATION WAS A BULL.

Martin: Ok, we’re jumping all over the place here, but we’re just going to go with the
flow. How did the Jesuits, in England, issue their instructions to the Queen? Where is
their seat of power in England, specifically?

Phelps: I believe their seat of power in England is Stonyhurst University. An English

Lord, Thomas Well, gives Stoneyhurst to the Jesuits in, I believe, 1795—about the time
of the French Revolution and just before the Napoleonic Wars.

Stonyhurst became their seat, their fortress from which they would control England. And
they were brought into England and helped at that by King George III. King George was
the bosom-buddy of the Jesuits. And the English monarchs have been their bosom-
buddy ever since. King George reigned for quite a few years; I believe he reigned for
nearly 40 years. And Victoria enjoyed the very same thing; she ruled from 1837-1901.

So, through the rule of George and Victoria, they completely controlled England through
Stonyhurst. Today they run England through the Royal Institute for International Affairs.
And the Cardinal, who they rule through, is the Archbishop of Westminster.

So, they have the Archbishop of Westminster in England, and they have the Archbishop
of New York in the United States. They rule England through Stonyhurst. They rule the
United States through Georgetown and Fordham. They rule England through the Royal
Institute for International Affairs. They rule the United States through the Council on
Foreign Relations.
It’s an identical system in both countries because it is an Empire. It is a Vatican Empire.
That’s how they rule.

In Russia, they rule Moscow through the Patriarch of the Armenian Church. So, the
Patriarch is like the Archbishop in London and New York. And it’s the Patriarch, there in
Moscow, who oversees the KGB and the inquisition there, called the gulag. Agagianian
was the Patriarch who was appointed a Cardinal by Pope Pius XII, the very same year,
1946, that Cardinal Spellman was made Cardinal for the American Empire.

Martin: How does the Mafia figure into all of this?

Phelps: The Mafia is run by Italian Roman Catholics, Sicilians primarily. And the Mafia
takes care of all organized crime. They took care of the booze, before it was legalized.
They took care of prostitution, the drug running, gun running, all the crime is organized
by the Vatican, through the Mafia families—the five Mafia families of New York.

It’s interesting that the Mafia Commission out of New York is in the same location, and
not far from, the Archbishop of New York. So the Archbishop is very close to his mob
bosses.

Spellman used his mob bosses in the invasion of Sicily, using Lucky Luciano, called
Operation Underworld. Here’s Spellman working with Lucky Luciano for a “successful
Naval invasion” of Sicily, for which reason he is influential and causes the release of
Lucky Luciano in 1946 to go back to Italy. So we have the relationship of Cardinal
Spellman and the mob. And if Cardinal Spellman had that power, every Cardinal
afterward has the same power. They don’t lose any power.

Now, one of the most obvious connections between the Archbishop of New York and the
mob is Frank Sinatra. Frank Sinatra was a good bosom friend with Gambino. Gambino
was murdered with a vaccination, with a flu shot. They wanted him out of the way, so
they murdered him with a flu shot. Frank Sinatra was also a Knight of Malta, who is
subject, then, to the Archbishop of New York. So, you have the Archbishop controlling
the Knights of Malta. Frank Sinatra is one of them, and Frank Sinatra is a good friend of
a mafia don.

Martin: Let’s talk about Princess Diana. Do you think the Jesuits were behind her take-
out?

Phelps: Absolutely, because the Jesuits control the British Secret Service.

Martin: Let’s talk about Princess Diana. Why was she a threat to the Jesuits?

Phelps: She was a threat in that if she had married a Moslem, Dodi Fayed, that would
have overturned the Throne of England, because she still had rights through her
children. Because her sons would one day occupy the British throne, and if she is alive
with a Moslem Prince as a husband, we have a problem in England. Because everybody
knows that the Queen Mother, really, has a lot of control over the King. And there would
have been an Islamic, Arab influence on the Queen, who would influence her son, who
would be King, who is now Prince.

Martin: So you think that the powers that be, within the Jesuit Order, knew that she was
pregnant with Dodi’s child?

Phelps: I believe so; and that’s why they got rid of her—absolutely. And they sent a
message to all the other British nobility by saying: “If you do this, we’re going to do the
same thing to you.” Furthermore, they buried her in the cemetery, on the Windsor
property, where only dogs are buried. She’s buried with dogs.

Martin: What kind of symbolism is that?

Phelps: Because she was a “Moslem dog” in their eyes.

Martin: In the recent June, 2001 issue of The SPECTRUM, we shared an article from
Sherman Skolnick in which he not only mentions the Jesuits, but he talks about the
incredible financial influence, and power, and control in California and elsewhere by the
Japanese Mafia, called the Yakuza. Is there any relationship between the Yakuza and the
Jesuits?

Phelps: Absolutely. The Jesuits control the Yakuza. To understand this, we have to go
back in the history of Japan. Japan had, wonderfully and righteously, expelled the Jesuits
from their Empire around 1619, give or take a few years. The Jesuits were forbidden to
ever enter Japan!

The Japanese, then, kicked-out the Portuguese; they kicked-out the Spanish. The only
ones who could ever trade with Japan were the Dutch, the Protestant Dutch. Well, when
the Jesuits were beginning to get control of our country, they got control of Polk. And
Polk was responsible for the sending of Commodore Perry to Japan.

Martin: What year?

Phelps: 1853-1854. He then opens up Japan to international trade. So now “foreigners”

can enter into Japan. Foreigners then began an agitation and a revolution in Japan. The
reigning Emperor of Japan, who was a young man about 35, wanted to get rid of the
Jesuits and these foreign powers, so he was assassinated.

According to Ryu Ohta, my friend in Japan, the Japanese had been taught that he was
killed by Sassoon House—the Jews. But the Emperor was really killed by the Jesuits,
because the son of this Emperor later went on to rule Japan from 1873 to 1912, and this
Emperor was the grandfather to Hirohito.

This Emperor was a young boy at the time he came to power. He ruled for all those
years. The Jesuits during that time dis-established the Buddhists as a state religion, and
made tremendous inroads in power in Japan, controlling the Dynasty, because they were
going to use Japan to foment a war with the United States for the purpose of eliminating
as much Buddhism as they could from the Far East, and weakening the American
Protestants, and many other purposes, such as killing off Protestant missionaries in the
Far East—whereas the Japanese Army never persecuted the Catholic missionaries. And
this is according to the Jesuits’ own magazine America, written and published in 1943 or
1944.

This is where the Jesuits got their power over the Emperor, and thus the Yakuza. So
now, the Jesuits have that power, they maintain that power. They maintained power
over Hirohito. And thus, they have power over the Yakuza today, in Japan and California.

Martin: There was a book written many years ago called Tai Pan. Now, would a Tai Pan,
symbolically, be the equivalent of the Black Pope?

Phelps: Sure. It’s a Secret Society. It’s a Japanese Secret Society that really rules.

Martin: Theoretically they would rule independently.

Phelps: They rule together with the Monarch.

Martin: Which would be the real Black Pope?

Phelps: The Black Pope. Remember, the Black Pope is in control of the Monarch of Japan.

Martin: We need to explain to our readers that the Jesuit Order is NOT a religious order,
it is a MILITARY ORDER.

Phelps: It is a military order. When they dawn religious garb to get into a country to talk
about Christ and God and so forth, they really want to capture the power and wealth of
every country, to submit every country to the temporal, Earthly, political power of the
Pope.

Martin: I don’t want to get too far off-subject here, but would you say “As with the Jews,
so with the Yakuza”?

Phelps: Correct. As with the Masonic Jewish Zionists, so with the Masonic Yakuza.
They’re all Masonic. Masonry unites all religions into one.

Martin: And behind the scenes the Jesuits are pulling the strings?

Phelps: Pulling the strings because they wrote all of the Masonic rites.

Martin: For our Masonic scholars out there, on what do you base that?

Phelps: We know that, according to several citations I reference in the book VATICAN
ASSASSINS, the Jesuits wrote the first 25 degrees of the Scottish Rite Freemasonry,
from the College of Clermont, which was changed to the College of Louis LeGrand, in
Paris, France.

Martin: What year?

Phelps: 1754. That is a fact. The Jesuits wrote those rites.

Martin: Do you have any names behind that?

Phelps: Oh, I believe Chevalier Ramsey was, Chevalier de Bonneville was one.

Remember the Bonneville automobile, and Pontiac? Those were Jesuits. And we have
Adam Weishaupt, who was a Jesuit, who was a Mason. And it was the Rothschild
Luciferians. So we have many dovetails of the Jesuits being Freemasons.

And we know, according to our hero Alberto Rivera, that Pedro Arrupe was a Mason, and
Pedro Arrupe was a Jesuit General. Pedro Arrupe was a Mason AND in the Communist
Party of Spain when he was a Jesuit General.

So, we also know that the Jesuits were involved in the writing of the last 8 degrees of
Scottish Rite Freemasonry, with Fredrick the Great in Prussia, while Fredrick protected
the Jesuits and gave them the ability to live in his country, while they were being
suppressed by the Pope.

Martin: Let’s circle back around to the Yakuza. According to Skolnick, the Yakuza own
many, many businesses in this country, many, many banks are owned and controlled in
California and elsewhere by the Yakuza. Now, are you saying that’s just a front?
Phelps: They’re just a front, like any other Mafia, like the Italian Mafia, which is the
foremost Mafia in organized crime.

Martin: Which J. Edgar Hoover said “Didn’t exist.”!

Phelps: Which he said didn’t exist. It’s all baloney. It is just a front. They hold the
property, they hold the money for the Vatican.

Martin: So the Yakuza would be the 3rd trusted party that we talked about?

Phelps: That’s right, they’re the 3rd trusted party. And I tend to also believe that there
is some kind of hand involved in the murder of Bruce Lee with this. Bruce Lee was not
going along with the Catholic Church.

Martin: And he was giving away secrets.

Phelps: He was giving away martial arts secrets, and so on, and he was not going along
with the Vatican. Remember, he had a rift with Hollywood, and most of his films were
made in Hong Kong.

Martin: And his son was also killed not long ago.

Phelps: His son was then killed on a movie-making set also. So his son knew
something. And evidently, just like Jackie Kennedy, Linda Lee doesn’t open her mouth.
So there are two murders here that the Secret Societies are involved in.

Martin: You don’t talk too much about Bobby Kennedy. Has your research uncovered
any names behind Bobby Kennedy’s assassination?

Phelps: Well, we know that Officer Thane Eugene Cesar really pulled the trigger, shot
him in the back of the head with a twenty-two. And Officer Cesar was an employee for
Lockheed Corporation. The Jesuits, according to Avro Manhattan, control Lockheed.

So, just as Lee Iacocca dispatches his security chief to drive the bullet-ridden limousine
of Kennedy from Washington to Cincinnati to get repaired, even so, some Knight of Malta
in charge of Lockheed Corporation, I don’t know who it was, dispatches Officer Cesar to
be a guard of Robert F. Kennedy—who then, in turn, shoots and kills him. And Sirhan
was a scapegoat, just like Oswald was a scapegoat.

Martin: What do you have to say about Earl Warren?

Phelps: Earl Warren was in the hands of the Jesuits when he was the governor of
California. Earl Warren was one of the sinister individuals behind that evil and terrible
Japanese concentration camp system. That was his brainchild. He was behind the anti-
Jap agitation in World War II.

The Japanese are decent, law-abiding, peaceful people, for the most part. They had all
their farms taken from them. They were in control of all of the produce, and they had it
all stolen from them by Roman Catholic, Knight of Malta-controlled corporations—just as
was done to the American Indian. They went into their burial grounds and stole all their
gold, and used their missions to send it back to Rome.

So, Earl Warren was a part of this. He was a good boy, so they named him and put him
on the Supreme Court. He was the Chief Justice.
He was a 33rd-degree Freemason involved in the Kennedy assassination, forced
amalgamation, forced race-mixing with the Supreme Court decision in 1966, forced
integration with the Brown vs. The Board Of Education in 1954.

Martin: I’m going to ask you now a very important question, one that will be on the
minds of many people: Why should our readers not feel that you are merely substituting
the word JESUITS for JEWS in terms of fomenting hatred and animosity toward Jesuit
people? Why is that not so?

Phelps: Well, first of all, there’s a tremendous difference between the Jesuit Order and
the Jewish race.

We don’t know exactly who the Jewish race is. I sure don’t know. I think only God knows
who it is. But it’s a civilization of people who are engaged in commerce and trade, and
they have cultures, they have communities.

Jesuits are an army. They’re soldiers. They’re under oath. When you become professed
of the 4th Degree, they give you The Secret Instructions.

According to another gentleman, he says there’s a degree beyond the 4th Degree, where
it’s absolute Luciferianism. This is according to Jim Arrabito, who died mysteriously in a
plane crash in Alaska on September 2, 1990. Jim Arrabito was one of the chief guys in
the Seventh Day Adventists, and he was a master of Jesuit history. You can get his
videos, Secrets Of The Jesuits, from L.L.M. Productions.

But anyway, the difference between the Jews and the Jesuits is strictly—one is a people,
and one is an Order determined to subvert all nations to the jurisdiction of the Pope.

And, in light of the documents that I provide with the book version of VATICAN
ASSASSINS—I have over 4,000 pages on CD-ROM, with four distinct different histories
showing the history of the Order—that’s exactly what they were doing then, and that’s
exactly what they’re doing now.

Martin: So what’s different about what you’re saying? Rather than just being another
wild conspiracy theory, it’s your position that you’ve really proven that this is a fact, and
not fantasy?

Phelps: Other men have proven the fact. I just reiterate what they’ve said.

If you read The Black Pope, by Cusack, she says the very same thing. She was a nun, a
converted nun to Christ in 1896.

Martin: And why is she so important?

Phelps: Because she was a nun intimately involved with priests, and especially Jesuits,
prior to her conversion to Christ. She would know; she was on the inside.

Martin: Why is that book so important?

Phelps: Because it has been suppressed and stolen out of every library in the world!
There is only one in existence that I know of, that’s publicly accessible, and that is in the
British Museum.

It’s also accessible on the CD-ROM included with the book VATICAN ASSASSINS, for
those of your readers who would like it. But, other than that, it’s a suppressed
document. Griesinger, Thompson, Cusack, Nicolini—those are the four major histories of
the Jesuit Order, and all four are on the CD-ROM [along with a number of other rare and
otherwise “missing” research documents].

Martin: So you’re saying that the time-lines that you put forth, and the conclusions that
you draw, are really based on historical experts over the last two centuries? This is not
just your position?

Phelps: Absolutely. I’m standing on the shoulders of giants, as a little cricket. These

people are brilliant and Godly. Nicolini, an Italian Roman Catholic, converted to Christ,
involved in the Italian Revolution of 1848, had to flee for his life, was in exile in England,
and there he wrote his great History Of The Jesuits, warning England that if the Jesuits
sought to destroy England under Elizabeth, they would surely do the same thing under
Victoria.

Martin: And they have.

Phelps: And they have. We have the great Theodor Griesinger, who was the great
German who wrote The Jesuits as a history told by the German people—823 pages of
meticulous documentation of all their doings in all the countries. And he was the one, I
learned, who said the Jesuits could very well be planning a second Thirty-Years War,
another Thirty-Years War. And he wrote that, the second edition was in 1873.

[Editor’s note: And remember that the second bloody and diabolical “Thirty-Years War”
did indeed happen, between 1914 and 1945, as Eric mentioned earlier in this interview
in conjunction with financing it through the setting up of the Federal Reserve Bank
fraud.]

So, these learned people have made quite clear and quite evident the purpose and
power of the Jesuit Order.

We haven’t had anybody in the 20th Century write an extensive history of what they’ve
accomplished from 1900-2000. I would hope that somebody who knows these histories,
who knows grammar and spelling and is able to write nice prose (unlike myself) would
be able to do this, and write a real modern history of this. Ridpath came close to it, but
he ended his work in the mid-1850s, with his Ridpath’s Universal History [Of The World].
We have not had a significant historian do this modern work for us.

Martin: And why is that?

Phelps: Because these Jesuits have all these colleges and universities bought and paid
for! And these universities won’t get grants if they start to expose the Jesuit Order.

Now, with all these “hate crime” laws, anything truthfully said about the Jesuit Order will
generate attempts to contort it into some kind of a hate crime, which is NOT what we’re
doing. We are merely telling the truth.

Martin: What is your solution to the Jesuit problem in America? What would you like to
see, ultimately, happen in this country?

Phelps: In this country, what I would like to see happen is exactly what happened in
England in the 16th Century, when several Jesuits left the Order. They were intelligent,
powerful Jesuits, involved in the conspiracy to overthrow England.
They told the powers-that-be about what they were supposed to do, and as a result, the
government of England expelled the Jesuits from their dominions, because they were
regarded as traitors and conspirators in the overthrow of legitimate government—of self-
rule, of nationalism; a country should be ruled by its own people.

The solution here would be the expulsion of the Jesuit Order, that they would be
outlawed and banned.

There would be period of grace where certain Jesuits could come forward, tell what they
know. But why would the Jesuits want to do that when this government is controlled by
the Council on Foreign Relations, which is controlled by the Jesuits? The government is
controlled by the Jesuits through the mob and high-level Freemasonry.

Martin: Proposing the expulsion of the Jesuits, the difference between that and racial
persecution, such as with the Jews, yours is based on treason, which is a lawful
conclusion based on your research concerning what their true aims and objectives are—
namely, the overthrow of this government.

Phelps: The usurping of this government, the controlling of this government for their
own purposes. And then using this government, with a coalition of other governments
they control, for the annihilation of the “heretic” and “liberal” population of this country,
pursuant to the Council of Trent, that every Pope swears upon his coronation to uphold.

Martin: Thank you so much for taking this time to clarify these many points about the
Jesuit Order. Our readers will really appreciate this as you offer much food for both
thought AND action!

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